recreational boat fishing license
hi there people,
there have been many stories of the rules and regs of this license. here is the quick run down, not sure if any one has posted it but oh well.
it costs $30 per person, per year
this license covers all the fish under the new category of demersal scale fish
this license can be used to cover the entire people on board, how ever the bag limit applies to one license, for example if there are two people on board, but only one license the second person can still fish and keep fish if it doesnt exceed the license holders bag limit.
no license no fish for dinner
you can still fish without one but it is catch and release, and all boats fishing for these species must carry a return rig thingy (cant member the name of them lol)
2nd march is the date the license come into effect.
please dont quote me on this as i my have interpretaed it wrong but im sure it all 100% right, any way any questions you can call fisheries thats what i did.
Faulkner Family
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spot on, thats how i
spot on, thats how i understand it as well.
RUSS and SANDY. A family that fishes together stays together
wopjrb
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yer one of those drop rig things
also forgot the name - its not down rigger.......doh!
wopjrb
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release weight
for dhies etc suffering barotrauma
Luke R
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and where can we purchase a
and where can we purchase a licence from
tonyb
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Fisheries or on-line from
Fisheries or on-line from Tuesday
roberta
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Yes fellas we are going
to Fisheries on Tuesday to get out fishing licenses and also noticed on line they have the booklet with all the new fishing regulations )all zones) be getting a couple of those for friends while we are there.
Ginger Tablets Rock
Feral
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ive got mine already as im
ive got mine already as im hoping to go fishing on tuesday :)
the stupid part of it is that you could only get it from fisheries office .. and only online and post office from tuesday onward .
i would expect them to have the crap organised by now :(
fishy fingers
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when is it valid?
does it run just from march to march or do you get 12 months regardless of when you buy it (unlike a cray licence where you would only get to the end of june whenever you bought it)
Juneka
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Cray license
Fishy Fingers - cray licenses are good for 12 months from date of purchase - mine is from 18 Dec 09 to 17 Dec 2010...
I would expect the boat fishing licence to do the same... IMHO...
Save the Whales! May as well - they won't fit in my catch bag!!!
fishy fingers
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Yeah I thought about it
but if you buy it (cray licence) in october you could only use it till june 30 thats what i was talking about but seeing as there is no season for line fishing it shouldnt matter when you buy it.
sarcasm0
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Incorrect
I know the season closes from June 30th but the licence (as all other licences) are now 12 months. I bought mine on 03/12/2009 and it expires on 03/12/2010. Just because the season ends, doesnt mean the licence does. In your example if you bought it in october 2010 it would be valid to oct 2011.
I have an abalone licence for a year, but I can still only use it for 5 sunday mornings when in season. But the licence is valid for a year.
fishy fingers
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I know that
But if you where catching cray out of season you would be done and would probably be classed as having no licence, theres no point having a licence to fish if your not alowed to fish!
sarcasm0
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Actually there is
If you buy it midway through a season, you can still fish for 1/2 of the next years season I guess this was the point I was trying to make.
Freo_Boi
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Is that what you call them things..
I thought they were called, outta sight.. Outta mind weights
Freo_Boi
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TYPICAL!!!
Has any body got it yet, or is it going to be a log jam...
Hope Auspost has their cr@p together. Pity if you wanted a fish tomorrow.
Any way heres the link for it. Even though its no bloody good atm..
https://secure.fish.wa.gov.au/fisheries/wazzbat
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Yep. I'm going fishing
Yep. I'm going fishing tomorrow and if I can't get it on line before I head out in the morning, guess what??? I ain't gonna get one in time. I live no where near a fisheries office. I would be happy to purchase one from a post office though or on line. Fisheries have made a real cock up of this one!
I fish for the future - Cause I can't bloody catch anything!
Reefmonkey
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Just demersals?
Is it just for demersals? i thought it was for all sorts of fishing, crabbing ,netting and collecting. anything from a boat.
edit- o wait i think i just read the post wrong :) it covers demersals aswell
Dave J.
dagree
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Correct... Not just demersals
It applies to any fishing from a motorised boat Below is a copy/paste from the fisheries website.. ----------------------------------------------------- Changes To Recreational Fishing Licences New Recreational Fishing from Boat Licence (RFBL) To help improve the management of WA's recreational fisheries, an RFBL will be required to undertake any general fishing activity conducted with the use of a powered boat from 2 March 2010. The new licensing system will provide a database of boat fishers across Western Australia, which will assist in determining who is fishing, where they are fishing and what they are catching. Examples of where the new licence is required when fishing from a powered boat include: * line fishing (handline, rod and line, squid jigging); * catching crabs; * spearfishing; * catching octopus; * dip-netting for prawns; and * any activity where fish, crabs or shellfish are taken where a boat is used to reach the fishing location. When don't you need an RFBL? * Non-motorised boat: A person fishing from a boat without a motor, such as a kayak or dinghy, will not require an RFBL. * Existing licensed activity: An RFBL will not be required where an existing licensed fishing activity (such as rock lobster or abalone fishing) is the only activity undertaken on that trip. If, for example, a recreational rock lobster fisher also fishes by line on the same trip, an RFBL would be required to cover the line fishing activity. * Fishing within someone else's bag limit: Unlicensed fishers can fish in the company of someone who holds an RFBL provided they stay within the licensed fisher's bag limit. The take of fish by all persons on a boat must not exceed the total bag and boat limits of fishers holding an RFBL. * Fishing from Charter Boats: Fishers are not required to hold an RFBL when fishing as a paying customer from a licensed charter vessel. For management purposes, charter catch and participation information is provided to the Department of Fisheries through the charter company's log book returns. RFBLs can be purchased online and from Australia Post from 2 March (but not before). Fishers wishing to apply for a licence before 2 March can do so by visiting any Department of Fisheries office. ----------------------------------------------------- Hope the above helps and even more hopefully the fisheries site is up and running tomorrow (Even though I won't need my licence until the weekend at the earliest
Cheers,
David
Cheers,
David (AKA Grumps)
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wazzbat
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Well. It's 3.20am and I
Well. It's 3.20am and I tried to get my licence but could only get so far on the site then it doesn't direct you any further. I can get as far as the page that says whether you agree with their terms and conditions. I tick the yes box and nothing happens. I click the Recreational Fishing Licence link and re directs me back to info about it.
Great work Fisheries WA. Really good job!
Clowns!
I fish for the future - Cause I can't bloody catch anything!
sarcasm0
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Ahh I see what happens
You click the "I Agree" section and it give you the option to "licence renewal" or "new licence" on the left sidebar. As said below I went through licence renewal but it wouldnt accept my current licence/d.o.b so I signed up for a new licence.
sarcasm0
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Works fine for me at 6:48am
It wont let me use the renew existing licence feature, but I went in under the "new" licence bit, entered my details again selected RBF made the payment and it was done.
Paper receipt until they send out the card
Tony Halliday
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too easy, did mine and my
too easy,
did mine and my son's online.
But would have preferred if they could allow you to do multiple persons on one transaction. i.e family type deal, I'd hate to have eight kids and a Mrs that fished,.,,,lol would take some time to process them all!
one of the easier online license sites I have used..
:-)
Tony
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Andy Mac
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Yep got mine online this morning
I can see that there will be a few that will stumble at the "I agree" section as it isn't very eye catching to see the sidebar choices. Thankfully I had read sercasm0's post and breezed through it.
I think they won't allow renewals for the RFBL as it is a "new" license category. You could probably "renew" the other categories but have to select new for this one.
Cheers
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sarcasm0
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yeah I wondered about that
But now will I have two Rec fishing licences, one with 5 catagories of fish and one with a RFBL? Plus the bloody skippers ticket, going to need a frigging handbag to carry all their cards!
I reckon they need another section for existing licence holders who want to add additional licence classes.
Tony Halliday
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well just seen the first
well just seen the first case of total " who knows whats right!!" a colleague of mine has his blanket license renewed in December for crays, marron and abalone. He called fisheries and was told, " you don't need a Boat fishing license, as you have a blanket license " by the lady on the help desk,
I then called and asked a fisheries officer what was needed and he said, you still need to get the extra RBFL, no matter if you have a blanket license. now the Fisheries site makes it clear!
quote" When don't you need an RFBL? * Non-motorised boat: A person fishing from a boat without a motor, such as a kayak or dinghy, will not require an RFBL. * Existing licensed activity: An RFBL will not be required where an existing licensed fishing activity (such as rock lobster or abalone fishing) is the only activity undertaken on that trip. If, for example, a recreational rock lobster fisher also fishes by line on the same trip, an RFBL would be required to cover the line fishing activity. * Fishing within someone else's bag limit: Unlicensed fishers can fish in the company of someone who holds an RFBL provided they stay within the licensed fisher's bag limit. The take of fish by all persons on a boat must not exceed the total bag and boat limits of fishers holding an RFBL. * Fishing from Charter Boats: Fishers are not required to hold an RFBL when fishing as a paying customer from a licensed charter vessel. For management purposes, charter catch and participation information is provided to the Department of Fisheries through the charter company's log book returns. RFBLs can be purchased online and from Australia Post from 2 March (but not before). Fishers wishing to apply for a licence before 2 March can do so by visiting any Department of Fisheries office."
http://www.fish.wa.gov.au/docs/pub/RecFishArrange/page04.php
but the help desk people don't make it clear that if the only activity is covered by the blanket license and NO fishing for fish occurs from the boat, then a RBFL is not needed.
I have shown this to people at work, but they all are convienced they don't need it, cause the lady at the help desk says so!!!
The fisheries people need to get some clear messages out in the media and print ASAP
Tony Halliday: ~Meals on Reels ~
It takes a strong fish to swim against the current. Even a dead one can float with it
"It is always in season for old men to learn." Aeschylus (525-456 BC)
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Rod P
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This is a line from the
This is a line from the first post
you can still fish without one but it is catch and release, and all boats fishing for these species must carry a return rig thingy (cant member the name of them lol)""
Is that statment correct or not?
HuggyB
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I doubt it
you are fishing by line - that requires a RFBL. Although you could get away with just the one as you aren't concerned with bag limits etc. But there would have to be one license on the boat to cover people line fishing. Whether or not you are practicing C+R is irrelevant.
The Terrorist - coming to a fishing spot near you.........
Andy Mac
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Good question
I expect it would be correct but it would certainly benefit with a clarifying statement to that effect on their website.
Cheers
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Tony Halliday
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yes Andy, a big gray hole
yes Andy, a big gray hole that is going to bite some one soon.
this legislation is good, but the roll out has been not up to scratch with many scenarios needing clarification in plain simple English for the average Joe to understand!
Tony Halliday: ~Meals on Reels ~
It takes a strong fish to swim against the current. Even a dead one can float with it
"It is always in season for old men to learn." Aeschylus (525-456 BC)
"In a mad world only the mad are sane." Akira Kurosawa (1910-1998)
Andy Mac
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Yep
It would seem strange if they would on one hand allow non-licensed fisho's to fish in the company of a licensed fisho, but not then allow C&R.
The wording certainly links the non-licensed person to bag limits, inferring catch and keep.
Cheers
Andy Mac (Fishwrecked Reeltime Editor & Forum Moderator)
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Ryan Thipthorp (not verified)
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RFBL!
You can catch and pass over fish to a licensed RFBL holder with this new license providing the baglimit for the holder isnt broken!
I've just gone online at the Fisheries website and got all my licenses renewed!
Andy Mac
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I just rang fisheries
They said you still need a RFBL to go C&R or at the very least be in the company of a RFBL carrying fisherman.
Apparently the "any general fishing activity" is to include C&R. The words relating to "take' of fish is in regards to the bag limit component.
Hope that clarifies it for everyone. (would be nice if they stated that on the website in plain english too so there was no misunderstanding.
Cheers
Andy Mac (Fishwrecked Reeltime Editor & Forum Moderator)
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Ryan Thipthorp (not verified)
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yep!
Yes correct, if one person has a RFBL the other non licensed fisher's can C&R or pass over fish to meet that license bag limit!
Tony Halliday
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so if you don't have any
so if you don't have any RBFL on-board, then you can't legally have a bare hook in the water, as C&R would be also illegal!
So I pull my pot, using my old blanket license and get a nice size fish in the cray-pot! Have I now illegally caught a fish or not??? if I toss it back I'm still C&R-ing in theory!
and the gray area gets bigger!
Tony Halliday: ~Meals on Reels ~
It takes a strong fish to swim against the current. Even a dead one can float with it
"It is always in season for old men to learn." Aeschylus (525-456 BC)
"In a mad world only the mad are sane." Akira Kurosawa (1910-1998)
Rod P
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and the gray area gets
and the gray area gets bigger!
You talking about your hair again
Tony Halliday
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no thats the gray vacuum
no thats the gray vacuum void!!!!
Tony Halliday: ~Meals on Reels ~
It takes a strong fish to swim against the current. Even a dead one can float with it
"It is always in season for old men to learn." Aeschylus (525-456 BC)
"In a mad world only the mad are sane." Akira Kurosawa (1910-1998)
HuggyB
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good frickin lord........
You put a fishing line in the water from your boat, you need a license - its pretty f**kin simple.
What delicate detail is confusing people?
The Terrorist - coming to a fishing spot near you.........
Rod P
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What about braid or mono,
What about braid or mono, does it make any difference?
Still confused????????!!!!!!!
Jeez Huggy take a pill
Tony Halliday
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hey Mate, got my license and
hey Mate, got my license and my sons already,
but people are calling into Fisheries and getting confusing replies, one of the chaps here in the office got exactly that about the C&R question as it's not part of a baglimit, then got a different answer later.
I told him to get one, but many won't because of the wording around the blanket licenses and what can be done there & where.
So I still want to know if you have a by-catch in a cray-pot does that require a RFBL to remove the catch from the pot? if you got a blanket license before the RFBL came in?
I'm only asking what the average Joe's at work who are not on forums and don't get a fishing mag every week etc and are out of our information loop.
Tony
Tony Halliday: ~Meals on Reels ~
It takes a strong fish to swim against the current. Even a dead one can float with it
"It is always in season for old men to learn." Aeschylus (525-456 BC)
"In a mad world only the mad are sane." Akira Kurosawa (1910-1998)
wazzbat
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No Confidence In Fisheries At All!
That's the problem! Every time you ring Fisheries you can get a different answer depending on who you are talking to. If the people who should know the rules don't know the rules, what hope have the rest of us got?
I remember ringing up Fisheries a few years back to clarify the rules for Shark Bay. After hanging up from my first call, I thought "that doesn't sound right" so I rang a different office and got a different answer and thought " that doesn't sound right either". I finally spoke to someone who sounded like he knew what he was on about so I went with that!
Same story a year or two later when trying to clarify areas you could catch Marron in. Very frustrating! And we pay their wages!
I fish for the future - Cause I can't bloody catch anything!
Deckie
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Better
The $30.00 is far better than the $75.00 they first mentioned. Avoid the confusion & pay the $30.00, that way the only grey area ya will hav to worry about is the one ya givin yaself worring about grey areas. now im confused...... Rob
Cheers & Stay safe
Jacko
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Powered Boat
But that is only if your boat is powered. Right.
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sarcasm0
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*facepalm*
Changes To Recreational Fishing Licences
New Recreational Fishing from Boat Licence (RFBL)
To help improve the management of WA's recreational fisheries, an RFBL will be required to undertake any general fishing activity conducted with the use of a powered boat from 2 March 2010.
The new licensing system will provide a database of boat fishers across Western Australia, which will assist in determining who is fishing, where they are fishing and what they are catching.
Examples of where the new licence is required when fishing from a powered boat include:
When don't you need an RFBL?
RFBLs can be purchased online and from Australia Post from 2 March (but not before). Fishers wishing to apply for a licence before 2 March can do so by visiting any Department of Fisheries office.
http://www.fish.wa.gov.au/docs/pub/RecFishArrange/page04.php
Tony Halliday
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so we can fish off a sail
so we can fish off a sail powered 50foot yacht????? without a RFBL????
quote" Non-motorised boat: A person fishing from a boat without a motor, such as a kayak or dinghy, will not require an RFBL. "
think they should have put some kind of size limit here!
Loads of guys sailing often put out a trolling handline or rod for a pelagic or two.
Tony Halliday: ~Meals on Reels ~
It takes a strong fish to swim against the current. Even a dead one can float with it
"It is always in season for old men to learn." Aeschylus (525-456 BC)
"In a mad world only the mad are sane." Akira Kurosawa (1910-1998)
sarcasm0
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Tony, I get your point
As I come from a sailing background I thought exactly that as trolling to a destination is commonplace. However, I put it to you that there arent too many 50 footers going about without any form of engine thus, still requiring a licence.
I would be more concerned about some of the 15-25' yachts! As there are plenty of them around without an auxillary.
Paully
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How many 50 ft yachts
would there be without a motor on board? mmmm, not trying to repeat Sarcasm0, posted at the same time.
Paul G
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Get a licence and fish
Get a licence and fish within the new rules and all is good how hard is it .Im with you huggy.
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jersey
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Just a thought
If I tow an inflatable out with 2 or 3 people,then let them drift or anchor then tow them in,do they or should they have a RBFL,as,they are not powerd?just like to open the can of worms more.jersey
SaintAsh
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Haha
Think they thought of that with the clause that says. ïf a power boat is used to access the area tending to be fished"or something along those lines, but i must say canned worms are tasty :P
Tony Halliday
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so if you used the Rotto
so if you used the Rotto ferry to get Rottnest and caught your fish from the land on the island, then you would need a RFBL to take your fish back home??? ( If I read it right)
So all Rotto fishing except if you fly in by plane!!! would require a RFBL as you accessed the island via a powered boat...
another bug gray hole to full into
Tony Halliday: ~Meals on Reels ~
It takes a strong fish to swim against the current. Even a dead one can float with it
"It is always in season for old men to learn." Aeschylus (525-456 BC)
"In a mad world only the mad are sane." Akira Kurosawa (1910-1998)
DhuBoi
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i reckon paying to go
i reckon paying to go fishing in our own countries ocean is a joke ! but hey 30 bucks is better then the first proposal of 150 dollars
living is fishing
damo6230
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10 minutes at the PO and all done
cant be any easier.....
over fish and fish stocks decline
simple again!
SaintAsh
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Same old story
At the same time, its not the guys that buy the license that break the rules, the guys that go out week after week taking undersized fish and fish over their bag limits aren't going to get the license, like they prolly dont carry a release weight ect.. Sad..
Freo_Boi
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Mate id pay $75 a year...
If its going to go back into recreational fishing.
And If you pay online you will save admin costs. And thus have more of a money pool..
Faulkner Family
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to save any arguements just
to save any arguements just go and buy your licence $30 , thats less than a carton of beer or a bottle of spirits.
to the question about fishing rotto after getting there by ferry, its a tricky one but i would say no licence would be required as you are fishing land based and only using public transport to get there
RUSS and SANDY. A family that fishes together stays together
Tony Halliday
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WRONG..... no exception for
WRONG..... no exception for Ferries or public transport on water using a motor!
So if you catch the ferry across from Freo to even the Bell Tower and catch a fish there and return home to Freo by the ferry, then you need a RFBL in theory. I have checked this one out, even fisheries are scratching their heads to figure out how that slipped through!
It's more the mums and dads and touristy types that go fishing now and again at Rotto that can be burnt etc.
Bit like our hoon laws and hired cars etc...
They say the devil is in the detail and some times it's the detail thats not in the law that catches poor buggers who think they doing the right thing.
Again do you want every Tom, Dick & Harry who does not really need a license to get one and that data to be used against us once again as " inflated fishing numbers" , like the theoretical number of "fishing boats" they always claim when the count in the ski-boats, day cruisers and gin-places that have never seen a bit of bait in their lives on-board?...
Tony Halliday: ~Meals on Reels ~
It takes a strong fish to swim against the current. Even a dead one can float with it
"It is always in season for old men to learn." Aeschylus (525-456 BC)
"In a mad world only the mad are sane." Akira Kurosawa (1910-1998)
hlokk
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Only because they havent
Only because they havent specified it yet. If you paid for a commercial boat, then you're not going to get charged (unless maybe you troll some skirts out the back of the Rotto ferry...). Nearly always they have exceptions for stuff like ferries (and the current ones have exceptions for charter boats). Just because its not written in a quick snippet page does not mean there are no provisions for it in the full legislation.
Either way, if you're fishing on rotto land based and the only boat you took was the paid ferry you used for transport to rotto, then they're not going to sting you for not having a RFBL.
till
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Considering that enforcement
Considering that enforcement is fisheries job, the loophole is irrelevant, they can chose not to bust people for having fish on the rotto ferry.
Don;t let that stop Tony from enjoying yet another beat up though!
Tony Halliday
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or they can choose to ruin
or they can choose to ruin some Grandads day with the grandkids on the ferry back.
choosing not to enforce a law is not an option for a badly written section of the law.
and yes I enjoy a good bun-fight like this, these guys get paid to write laws and acts and enforce them. ( not the fisheries officer, the $200k+ a year legal beagles they employ with your tax dollars
Tony Halliday: ~Meals on Reels ~
It takes a strong fish to swim against the current. Even a dead one can float with it
"It is always in season for old men to learn." Aeschylus (525-456 BC)
"In a mad world only the mad are sane." Akira Kurosawa (1910-1998)
Tony Halliday
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http://www.fish.wa.gov.au/doc
http://www.fish.wa.gov.au/docs/pub/FishingFromBoat/Rec%20Licence%20Guide%20Boat%20Fishing.pdf
Just been on the phone with the "help desk girl " at Fisheries
on 94827333
AND she does not know the exact wording of the act ( I had to read her own pamphlet from their website to her!!! or can not reference any documents for exceptions to travel and transport to a destination etc. In fact she was not even up to speed on the fact that a ferry is a motorized boat WTF!!!
now waiting for a snr Fisheries official to call back and give me a written explanation of the use of motorised marine public transport, Ferries and if you go to Rotto by your own boat, but catch the fish off the land there.
wait for my e-mail from them, I'll post it up and see what they put into writing!
Tony Halliday: ~Meals on Reels ~
It takes a strong fish to swim against the current. Even a dead one can float with it
"It is always in season for old men to learn." Aeschylus (525-456 BC)
"In a mad world only the mad are sane." Akira Kurosawa (1910-1998)
Paully
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So in depth this
when it should be so simple.......
HuggyB
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the key word is from
you are not fishing from the ferry - thus requiring no license.
Why are people trying to find loopholes or suggesting ridiculous scenarios? All they are doing is creating confusion. Once again, its not that f**king difficult surely?
The Terrorist - coming to a fishing spot near you.........
Tony Halliday
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Huggy B, read the section
Huggy B, read the section carefully and think it through.
"In addition, a licence would be required where fish, crabs
or shellfish are taken by wading or other non-boat based
activities but where a powered boat is used to reach your
immediate fishing location."
it's not about fishing off the ferry, it's the fact that the ferry took you to your place of fishing!
So even land based fish by rod & reel, but where a motorised boat is used to access the fishing location requires a RBFL.
and in my definition and others that includes a ferry!
only Charterboats are except in the current wording.
bit like the common sense issue on the Hoon laws where your mechanic could do what he liked with your car and you would loose it for 30days as a result!!!
Tony Halliday: ~Meals on Reels ~
It takes a strong fish to swim against the current. Even a dead one can float with it
"It is always in season for old men to learn." Aeschylus (525-456 BC)
"In a mad world only the mad are sane." Akira Kurosawa (1910-1998)
sarcasm0
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Oyster Reef Kalbarri
Just to throw a spanner in the works. If I go on a holiday to Kalbarri and take the little boat across to oyster reef and fish for tailor, then take the little boat back how does this work?
I am slightly concerned that people in the fisheries office have better things to do than respond to all the "what if" scenarios.
Tony Halliday
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the way I read it, you would
the way I read it, you would need a RFBL for the catch and if your wife / another went with you, then you'd have to have two licenses or stay with in one bag limit if you had one license only.
Yes I agree they have better things to do than the "what if's" unless the "what if's" effect many people every weekend... then it's their job to answer it!
JMO
Tony Halliday: ~Meals on Reels ~
It takes a strong fish to swim against the current. Even a dead one can float with it
"It is always in season for old men to learn." Aeschylus (525-456 BC)
"In a mad world only the mad are sane." Akira Kurosawa (1910-1998)
Paully
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Am I interpreting your post wrong Tony
In addition, a licence would be required.............. but where a powerboat is used to reach your destination. Doesn't that but mean that it is excluded from a RFBL. We could talk all day about what if's - It's getting a bit old now.
Tony Halliday
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way the wording is at
way the wording is at present you would need one if you where accessing Dirk Hertzog island by the ferry to get your 4x4 across and then land fished even.
the emphasis is clearly on the use of a powered boat / craft to reach your immediate fishing destination.
I have faxed off my written query to Fisheries and await there response.
some may think it's a joke and others that it's common sense, but those that have dealt with the law and people enforcing the law know common sense does not have a place in there life.
Just my view and interpretation on the matter
Tony Halliday: ~Meals on Reels ~
It takes a strong fish to swim against the current. Even a dead one can float with it
"It is always in season for old men to learn." Aeschylus (525-456 BC)
"In a mad world only the mad are sane." Akira Kurosawa (1910-1998)
till
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(No subject)
Tony Halliday
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the plot thickens! I got my
the plot thickens!
I got my call back from Nicky at the help desk again.
The snr Policy Advisor told her that you don't need one, but could not show any written or rules excepting the use of public motorised marine transport or ferries to Rotto etc.
I have to make a written application to the CEO of Fisheries for a written response or ruling on the use of a ferry to get to my place of fishing.
so the bottom line is there is NO section that excepts the ferry or public water motorised transport, except the opinion of an adviser.
oh and you can't e-mail you query, it needs to be posted to them.... so here goes.
ps they could also not define the term " where a powered boat is used to reach your immediate fishing location"
is that the jetty, the beach, or wadding to a sand bar, or if you reached Rotto by your own boat, took the bus around to the west side and land based fished ( are you not away from your 'immediate' location )
Tony Halliday: ~Meals on Reels ~
It takes a strong fish to swim against the current. Even a dead one can float with it
"It is always in season for old men to learn." Aeschylus (525-456 BC)
"In a mad world only the mad are sane." Akira Kurosawa (1910-1998)
Tigh82
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30 Bucks
Pay 30 bucks..........fish......be happy!
Tony Halliday
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as stated before I have my
as stated before I have my license already and my son has his license to ( even though he is 9 yrs old and fishes a few times a year with me!),
but many people won't have a license.... or won't know if they need one or not!
my query is simple and a very relevant issue as many fish Rotto by accessing it by ferry.
And Fisheries can't answer that query with a section of the act or section of exceptions in any document.
Tony Halliday: ~Meals on Reels ~
It takes a strong fish to swim against the current. Even a dead one can float with it
"It is always in season for old men to learn." Aeschylus (525-456 BC)
"In a mad world only the mad are sane." Akira Kurosawa (1910-1998)
dpost80
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Tony can you go over all
Tony can you go over all that again please
Am I still able to use my drop lines? - They aren't attached to my rod and reel - I just have 20 or so hooks hanging from a float.
cudbfishn
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Drop lines?? Are you
Drop lines??
Are you serious???
Thought stuff like that was illegal???
HuggyB
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The Terrorist - coming to a fishing spot near you.........
cudbfishn
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Well I was wondering. Lol.
Well I was wondering. Lol. Is something wierd goin on in this forum? Are posts going everywhere or is it just my iPhone????
Adam Gallash
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now now
Now now fellas, please keep it on topic and not personal, I don't want to lock the thread, but I will if I have to! :(
You can post replies into people's specific comments Cudbfishn.
Cheers,
Adam
Site Admin - Just ask if you need assistance
cudbfishn
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Sorry Adam. Just read what I
Sorry Adam. Just read what I wrote and it was sounds harsher than I meant.
Andy Mac
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He wasn't having a go at you mate
More the topic itself and some earlier posts.
Cheers
Andy Mac (Fishwrecked Reeltime Editor & Forum Moderator)
Youngest member of the Fishwrecked Old Farts Club
cudbfishn
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Oh I see
Oh I see
cudbfishn
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This forum still seems to be
This forum still seems to be playing up for me.
Might mean I have to get back to work.
And Yes dpost80 I am sorry. Lol. But you gotta wonder sometimes.
I dunno bout the poem but. ;)
SaintAsh
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post office staff
Just bare in mind guys it's not the young girl down the post office that is making you pay the license. I was just at my local posting some mail and a gentlemen with his young son was there making a scene about the fishing license demanding the girl answer fisheries related questions, to her credit she gave him a pamphlet and highlighted the fisheries website and i think she took pleasure in charging him $60.
Bodie
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Just done mine online, took
Just done mine online, took 2 minutes.
To fill the void.
Its not hard to do online, heres the link
https://secure.fish.wa.gov.au/fisheries/TCForm.jsp
Its not hard to understand the rules, you fish from a boat, you need a license..
It's only $30 for those who are questioning the cost, and all money goes to something we all like doing, to try protect for the future.
Freo_Boi
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Common sense will prevail..
So the bottom line is there is NO section that excepts the ferry or public water motorised transport,except the opinion of an advisor.
I think you just solved your debate there mate..And any way, the Chances of them enforcing this new legislation is fairly slim just ask all the blokes catching undersized fish down the jetties...
wogboy1963
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Annoyed
The only thing that pissed me off about this licence is the fact you have to have two cards or combine your cray licence with the new one. The only problem I have with that is my cray licence is Dec 09. So reneweral for both is Dec 10. They would not allow you to pay extra $10 for 3 months extension on your cray licence so each year you would recieve your renewal on the 2nd of March. So for the hell of carry two cards I opted for renewal in Dec 10 and lost 4 months of paid licence. No loop hole there! Any find that as well!
Tony Halliday
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http://www.perthnow.com.au/li
http://www.perthnow.com.au/lifestyle/fishers-unite-against-worlds-most-expensive-recreational-fishery/comments-e6frg3sl-1225836924496
very interesting read of the general public comments...
Not well received.
I had not even thought of the effects on the house boat hire, tinnie hire ( people crabbing on holiday) etc...
seems the knock on effect will soon be seen and felt!
Tony Halliday: ~Meals on Reels ~
It takes a strong fish to swim against the current. Even a dead one can float with it
"It is always in season for old men to learn." Aeschylus (525-456 BC)
"In a mad world only the mad are sane." Akira Kurosawa (1910-1998)
roberta
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Well we have
our licenses, went to Fisheries Fremantle and paid our money, 3-4 weeks before the plastic card, all done, now we can go crabbing, squidding & fishing etc. We were lucky nobody in Fisheries but by the time we left, would have been about 10 blokes all waiting, I was handing out the form for the fishing license as the girls behind the counter didn't seem to care, wonder if we are going to get better staff with all this money being generated from all the licenses??????????
Ginger Tablets Rock
jersey
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I enjoyed my can
Of Worms:It started as a stir but at least Tony and a couple of others have given the ramifications some thought. I was not thinking of the Rotto Ferry. But If I went to Shark Bay,with say 5 mates,and we then all went to Dirk Hartoge Island but only 2 of us fished from the boat,the rest fished from the shore/beach,what then
,many of the people who read this site are happy to pay for a license,and Yes,I agree,we must start to manage the fisheries.but another possible view point,If I went crabbing down Mandurah,and took 5 mates,dropped them on the far side of the cut,(I think its called the Farm) should they each have a license.Why I ask these (To some ) stupid questions is that I can see some problems,EG a few years ago (Carnarvonite may remember) a Pro fisher man did what he thought was the right thing,he phoned up fisheries,asked if he could put his pots in a certain area was verbally told Yes,from what I remember,Carnarvonite? but was then busted by the fisheries for doing the wrong thing,it ended up costing him a lot of money and I think his license? his,mistake not getting it in writing.but lets face it,I think its better to be sure not fined.
jersey
Tony Halliday
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spot on mate... the verbal
spot on mate...
the verbal advise of any officer of a depatment is worth squat when you in court and their view was wrong...
down on the Blackwood, in the South, everyone uses the barge to cross onto the islands. Does that mean they need a licence as well to fish and crab from the isalnd,????
And yes $30 is a lot of money if you fishing once a year as a dad with the kids or grandad out with the sprogs for his quality time....
ps, day two and still no repsonse back from fisheries on my faxed querry. The clock-ticks...
Tony Halliday: ~Meals on Reels ~
It takes a strong fish to swim against the current. Even a dead one can float with it
"It is always in season for old men to learn." Aeschylus (525-456 BC)
"In a mad world only the mad are sane." Akira Kurosawa (1910-1998)
TerryF
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Tony I have been watching
Tony
I have been watching the official Dept of Fisheries stuff on this, and can only shake my head at the simple wording differences (or errors?) which are leading to so much confusion. Don't ask me to explain some of it, coz I can't.
Recfishwest has a standing offer, repeated many, many times with glaring examples, to proofread and/or offer comments on stuff like this, to help pick up some of the "gotchas", but with little response from Dept of Fisheries. The result is what you see.
The Regulations call it a "recreational (boat) fishing licence" implying the boat itself is licenced (it's NOT that, so why use that wording?)
The Dept of Fisheries publications call it a "Recreational Fishing from Boat Licence (RFBL)" which is the reality of an individual personal licence.
On the use of a ferry boat to get to an island or a boat to cross a river, consult your lawyer, coz it's not clear to me.
The Regulations say "A person who fishes by use of a boat must hold a licence..."
RECREATIONAL FISHING FROM BOAT LICENCE brochure 2010 http://www.fish.wa.gov.au/docs/pub/FishingFromBoat/Rec%20Licence%20Guide%20Boat%20Fishing.pdf says
Similar words in the West Coast Rec Fishing Guide. http://www.fish.wa.gov.au/docs/pub/WestLimits/index.php?0102
and the "Do you like to fish from your boat?" brochure http://www.fish.wa.gov.au/docs/pub/RecFishArrange/rec%20reg%20brochure.pdf says
What is meant by immediate fishing location? Is that different to the fishing location.
If a boat is used and then the person walks or uses a quad bike some kilometres to a fishing spot, is that an immediate fishing location?
Why isn't that term immediate in the Regulations and why is it not in all of those Dept of Fisheries publications?
It's all up to the Dept of Fisheries to sort this out and explain it. They have the responsibility and the funding for informing the fishing public about these changes to the rules.
TerryF
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References The regulations:- Gov Gazette 12 Feb 2010 http://www.slp.wa.gov.au/gazette/GAZETTE.NSF/gazlist/81533CB02DC4A997482576C700137C7D/$file/gg021.pdf and Fish Resources Management Regulations 1995 Version 02 Mar 2010 Page 141 http://www.slp.wa.gov.au/legislation/statutes.nsf/main_mrtitle_1458_homepage.html
Tony Halliday
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spot on Terry, I was
spot on Terry,
I was chastised by people who said, just buy it and don’t question the wording etc..
But as you have confirmed, the wording is all over the show between websites, official releases and brochures put out.
Consequences are that people are going to be fined for doing what they think is the right thing and getting wrong advise from Fisheries personnel as well.
This act / law / what ever it may be, needs so real definitions and clear cut rulings on things like the “ the fishing location” “ exceptions” “ hire tinnies” “ ferry boats” “access barges” etc…
Tony Halliday: ~Meals on Reels ~
It takes a strong fish to swim against the current. Even a dead one can float with it
"It is always in season for old men to learn." Aeschylus (525-456 BC)
"In a mad world only the mad are sane." Akira Kurosawa (1910-1998)