Seems a bit suss to me. I caught a cray last Friday night on by beach rod fishing from the shore near City Beach (released) which was well and truly size. The odds for this are pretty bloody remote and also it is not even Cray season yet.
I think alot of these survey reports paint a picture alot worse than what things actually are. I 100% support the fact that we all need to fish for the future, but I personally think alot of these reports are published to help drive up the price of seafood in general. I am sure alot of the diving guys on this site could give a pretty accurate update on what the numbers of cray's are currently like.
All of the above is just my opinion so don't shoot me down in flames.
Scano
There was a report somewhere where i read that the Rec angler only consumes a very very small part of the number of crayfish caught every year.
Personally i think this stinks. All the professionals who catch crayfish send their catches to overseas markets.
I understand many man people ma ke a living off this industry, but should we be fishing for the world, or fishing for Australians?
You can see from such a tight nitt community of the people on this site, that the rec anglers love the cray fish season, whether it be diving, or potting. These people, and all rec angling people dont benefit one bit by the professional industry.
Just imagine what the Crayfish season would be like if there were no professional fishermen.
There would be no season limits.
There would be a higher catch rate than 8 per license, 16 per boat per day. (Not that i think anyone needs anymore than this)
The size limits would be different.
There would be less pot poaching.
Sooner or later people have to stop looking at the dollar value to over seas customers and start looking after our own.
It really frustrating to see all these recreational limits, not just for cray fish, that come in, when the majority of the damage is done from professinal fishing. Yet we cop the flack for it.
When they can't repay the loans on their $1,000,000 houses and boats, I hope the're not allowed to start on our ( WA's ) dwindling scale fish stocks in their off season.
Not just the amateur but the professional as well and BIG TIME,because as the report says its the lowest count result they have received.It won't be the bloke and his missus with their 4 pots or the pro with his 120 pots ,a minimum of $500,000 boat and the price he paid for his licence around $25,000-$30,000 per pot including the 18% reduction he isn't allowed to use[all up approx $4-$5 million]It will also hurt the decky's,depot crews,truck drivers,bait suppliers,pot suppliers[mainly ACTIV INDUSTRIES]right down to the processing plants.When totalled up there are a lot of people are going to be looking for new jobs all because the puerulus settlement didn't happen as per usual.
When the good season happened in 2000,a lot of regulars in TWO ROCKS were catching the maximum of 16 per boat each day for months on end,yet there were still comments the same as now that some people are never satisfied however the season turns out.
We will just have to wait and see I suppose
When the good season happened in 2000,a lot of regulars in TWO ROCKS were catching the maximum of 16 per boat each day for months on end.. mmm and i wonder what they were doing with them ???? ,i think i would get sick of eat crayfish morning noon and night..
I know plenty of guys who get 200 -300 crays over the whites , this is to many ,i know many people i could get a cray from at a price ex pro and recs.this is happening more than you think .
i was just making the point ,everyone bags the pros how they have done this and that. from day one rec fishers have caught and sold and swapped and given away crays, fish,abbs you name it we all have done our bit to make the current bans and bag limits what they are today .Things will not change between pros and rec fishers ,it has taken a long time for me to realize that we dont have an endless supply sitting out there , and i try to do my part now to hopfully have some fish left for jesse's kids,
Good point paul but as a X crayboy/wetlinener I hope that the rest of the fishing industry would have some thought of others let alone themselves!
Have kids too mate but having the research funding cuts as well as bans on what we all love KILLS me more. A political rally needs to be sorted or its an end to all my family enjoys!!
Sell the boat.
I think Iam off to buy a gun to shoot feral animals!!!
I to, i just try not to think to much into it .i love my fishing and if we have to cop a few changes here and there so we can keep on fishing well so be it . I am not a fan of the fishing ban but 2 month will go buy in the blink of an eye ,we may even see some old patchs rejuvenate with a bit of a rest..
If they cut the baglimits of Rec for crays that is a load of shit. Surely they must see 95% of the catch coming from pro's as unsustainable and cut them.
not the 5%, of which people go out and drop their two pots to get a feed for the weekend!
And on the crabs, how long do you think before they open the sound for pro's to hammer again?
The new Liberal/National government will mean a different approach to fisheries and environmental management and recreational fishing.
But the new government will have lots of other important and urgent things to do and will be lobbied by lots of different interest groups.
A lot of work will be needed to get and keep recreational fishing, etc into that list and get proper and timely treatment of all the conflicting issues and opinions.
Yes of course Recfishwest is working on that, but repeating:-
Quote:
.. the new government will have lots of other important and urgent things to do and will be lobbied by lots of different interest groups.
and you can believe that, coz it's really happening. When a Government has other priorities, (eg trying to save the $20billion or whatever Kimberley gas project from going out of WA to the Northern Territory) then some other things just have to wait.
thats pathetic .. don,t take offense but c,mon ..... jesus rain us some dhuies, plse
i,m sure half of this cooment should be in another thread........ but
i,m disgusted in this behaviour.. my lil boy has just started fishing now i tell him...
"son...... we can,t keep all these fish we have to let them go.. and go home and eat pasta......because we are recreational fishermen that do it for fun/ etc but because the seas have been hammered by pros we can,t eat fish anymore unless we buy it..
blaahhhhhhhh this may get a few pple agro but i,m pissed.. bout the closure..
only because of what i found out ..that charters and pros can still pound the ground.
total reversal of what the closure was for..
these rules were made by amateurs.. and obviously not thought thru.
peace to every1..
damm better stock up the freezer then, usually you go out get a cple fish, eat them mybe have another feed in the freezer, but now pple have to go out and try n get 2 months of fish.. to get thru..
i can accept what your saying terry, but reality is thats a joke!!! with a couple of weeks till the closures...seems the election promises are yet again nothing but a false carrot being dangled.
Some people's expectations for delivering on election promises, (or criticisms if it doesn't happen) seem to be for LOTS of the things THEY want to be done in a VERY short time. How realistic????
The election promise actually said:
Quote:
A Liberal Government will immediately establish an expert recreational fishing panel..
and that is happening (no AFAIK it's not finalised or public yet..... )
And look at the timeline:-
Libs/Nationals definitely know they will form a Government:- Sunday 14 September 2008
Ministers sworn in:- Tuesday 23 September, 2 days ago.
Today is am Thursday 25 September.
And we don't know who the Labor Shadow Fisheries Minister will be, that won't be announced until tomorrow (Friday).
Sitting back and talking about it is one thing, getting rec fish west to do it is another.
But a community as a whole, with voice can do so much more.
Terry do refishwest have any petition sheets or notion sheets which can be moved around to get some voice on the subject, from the people themselves.
I think your theory of being more concerned with the 20 billion dollar gas project is wrong. the government has different sections, different teams, different departments working on many different priorities.
we simply cannot accept an excuse like that.
Theres to much chopping and changing, and as you can see most people here dont give 2 shits about reducing catch limits, restriction zones, and even the bans to a degree. But this needs to be uniform for all.
Terry do refishwest have any petition sheets or notion sheets which can be moved around to get some voice on the subject, from the people themselves.
Recfishwest has its VERY comprehensive election questions and issues http://www.recfishwest.org.au/ElectionPolicy2008.htm expecting responses and covering MUCH, MUCH MORE than just the V5 questions which people are asking.
Yep that doc has been discussed with political people and advisors and has been very well received - because it is REALISTIC.
The Government has been confirmed for just 11 days and counting..... Actually sworn in only 2 days ago.
I'm sure not going to hold my breath waiting for changes to be made.They will have a quick look at the figures,blame it on the previous government and leave it at that and hope it blows away like everything else.
The new fisheries minister is also the Mining and offshore oil and gas minister. He will not do a thing about the fishing ban this year. And he will probably change the amature cray catch because that has already been on the cards and he'll just go along with it.
If you voted Liberal thinking the fishing ban would change, you probably believe pigs can fly.......
scano
Posts: 1247
Date Joined: 31/05/07
????
Seems a bit suss to me. I caught a cray last Friday night on by beach rod fishing from the shore near City Beach (released) which was well and truly size. The odds for this are pretty bloody remote and also it is not even Cray season yet.
I think alot of these survey reports paint a picture alot worse than what things actually are. I 100% support the fact that we all need to fish for the future, but I personally think alot of these reports are published to help drive up the price of seafood in general. I am sure alot of the diving guys on this site could give a pretty accurate update on what the numbers of cray's are currently like.
All of the above is just my opinion so don't shoot me down in flames.
Scano
Bodie
Posts: 3758
Date Joined: 05/11/07
There was a report somewhere
There was a report somewhere where i read that the Rec angler only consumes a very very small part of the number of crayfish caught every year.
Personally i think this stinks. All the professionals who catch crayfish send their catches to overseas markets.
I understand many man people ma ke a living off this industry, but should we be fishing for the world, or fishing for Australians?
You can see from such a tight nitt community of the people on this site, that the rec anglers love the cray fish season, whether it be diving, or potting. These people, and all rec angling people dont benefit one bit by the professional industry.
Just imagine what the Crayfish season would be like if there were no professional fishermen.
There would be no season limits.
There would be a higher catch rate than 8 per license, 16 per boat per day. (Not that i think anyone needs anymore than this)
The size limits would be different.
There would be less pot poaching.
Sooner or later people have to stop looking at the dollar value to over seas customers and start looking after our own.
It really frustrating to see all these recreational limits, not just for cray fish, that come in, when the majority of the damage is done from professinal fishing. Yet we cop the flack for it.
Rant over!! :)
dpost80
Posts: 439
Date Joined: 01/08/07
Hear Hear....
I've said it before, and I'll say it again...
Our local fishery should be conserved for the benefit of the local population alone...
I believe the benefit of Rec fishing, diving, and eco-tourism is greater than the commercial gain received by pro's raping and pillaging...
I think that all seafood that is consumed should have either been caught by the consumer him/herself, or be sourced from aquaculture farms etc...
Colby
Posts: 75
Date Joined: 03/06/08
what they are saying is the
what they are saying is the crays ain't producing (eggs)
so they will catch them this year but if they dont produce then the years to follow might be up sh!t creek.
ROCKPOM
Posts: 629
Date Joined: 23/04/07
95% quota to the Pro's
95% quota to the Pro's and will they still want more?
Of course they will!!!
Even with a stock in decreasing numbers the quest for the almighty export dollar will always take over!
Enviromental or not this problem will be surely passed on to the Rec boys once again!!!
It says alot for the research guys trying to work these fisheries problems out with another funding reduction about to hit!!
"The Pros and Cons of Fishing" I hope they dont see us Rec boys as the Cons?
Blackbetty-50
Posts: 96
Date Joined: 17/08/07
Pro's
When they can't repay the loans on their $1,000,000 houses and boats, I hope the're not allowed to start on our ( WA's ) dwindling scale fish stocks in their off season.
carnarvonite
Posts: 8673
Date Joined: 24/07/07
Everyone will suffer
Not just the amateur but the professional as well and BIG TIME,because as the report says its the lowest count result they have received.It won't be the bloke and his missus with their 4 pots or the pro with his 120 pots ,a minimum of $500,000 boat and the price he paid for his licence around $25,000-$30,000 per pot including the 18% reduction he isn't allowed to use[all up approx $4-$5 million]It will also hurt the decky's,depot crews,truck drivers,bait suppliers,pot suppliers[mainly ACTIV INDUSTRIES]right down to the processing plants.When totalled up there are a lot of people are going to be looking for new jobs all because the puerulus settlement didn't happen as per usual.
When the good season happened in 2000,a lot of regulars in TWO ROCKS were catching the maximum of 16 per boat each day for months on end,yet there were still comments the same as now that some people are never satisfied however the season turns out.
We will just have to wait and see I suppose
STAAL LOVER
Posts: 406
Date Joined: 13/05/08
puerulus
All got eaten by the high volume of dhuie and snapper !! So we should all do our parts in saving the PRO's houses !!!!!!!!
ALWAYS TIME FOR FISHIN'
Paul G
Posts: 5215
Date Joined: 12/12/07
When the good season
When the good season happened in 2000,a lot of regulars in TWO ROCKS were catching the maximum of 16 per boat each day for months on end.. mmm and i wonder what they were doing with them ???? ,i think i would get sick of eat crayfish morning noon and night..
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Paul G
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I know plenty of guys who
I know plenty of guys who get 200 -300 crays over the whites , this is to many ,i know many people i could get a cray from at a price ex pro and recs.this is happening more than you think .
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Paul G
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i was just making the point
i was just making the point ,everyone bags the pros how they have done this and that. from day one rec fishers have caught and sold and swapped and given away crays, fish,abbs you name it we all have done our bit to make the current bans and bag limits what they are today .Things will not change between pros and rec fishers ,it has taken a long time for me to realize that we dont have an endless supply sitting out there , and i try to do my part now to hopfully have some fish left for jesse's kids,
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ROCKPOM
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Good point paul but as a X
Good point paul but as a X crayboy/wetlinener I hope that the rest of the fishing industry would have some thought of others let alone themselves!
Have kids too mate but having the research funding cuts as well as bans on what we all love KILLS me more. A political rally needs to be sorted or its an end to all my family enjoys!!
Sell the boat.
I think Iam off to buy a gun to shoot feral animals!!!
Paul G
Posts: 5215
Date Joined: 12/12/07
I to, i just try not to
I to, i just try not to think to much into it .i love my fishing and if we have to cop a few changes here and there so we can keep on fishing well so be it . I am not a fan of the fishing ban but 2 month will go buy in the blink of an eye ,we may even see some old patchs rejuvenate with a bit of a rest..
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Paul G
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Yes i think we should enjoy
Yes i think we should enjoy it while we can .I think somewhere in the not to distant future you may be right.
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harro
Posts: 1959
Date Joined: 07/02/08
agree
i,m really tired of reading how the recs are being penalised for all this..
in all honesty in the sw the pros have no depth limit..
only for crabbing, and because of the laws on crabbing, its been so much better for everyone to enjoy..
i think the pros have been outta the bay for 2 yrs with crabs and the diff it makes is unbelievable..
isnt this some kinda sign.......
:::: Bass Hunter ::::
Dean
Posts: 1943
Date Joined: 23/02/07
If they cut the baglimits of
If they cut the baglimits of Rec for crays that is a load of shit. Surely they must see 95% of the catch coming from pro's as unsustainable and cut them.
not the 5%, of which people go out and drop their two pots to get a feed for the weekend!
And on the crabs, how long do you think before they open the sound for pro's to hammer again?
Dean
Posts: 1943
Date Joined: 23/02/07
Going by past records, looks
Going by past records, looks like time to get the vaso out again...
TerryF
Posts: 489
Date Joined: 11/08/05
V5 bans, thought this thread was about crayfish?????
I have already posted it here http://fishwrecked.com/node/15956
Yes of course Recfishwest is working on that, but repeating:-
and you can believe that, coz it's really happening. When a Government has other priorities, (eg trying to save the $20billion or whatever Kimberley gas project from going out of WA to the Northern Territory) then some other things just have to wait.
When I know any more for sure I'll post it.
TerryF
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Beavering away in the background.......
Dean
Posts: 1943
Date Joined: 23/02/07
"This ONLY promises a review
"This ONLY promises a review "with a view to relaxing the bans." Does NOT promise REMOVING the bans."
A review that will probably never happen. They're too busy sitting on their asses, nothing seems to ever happen
harro
Posts: 1959
Date Joined: 07/02/08
joke
thats a joke right?
seriously u can,t say thats the answer/reason
thats pathetic .. don,t take offense but c,mon ..... jesus rain us some dhuies, plse
i,m sure half of this cooment should be in another thread........ but
i,m disgusted in this behaviour.. my lil boy has just started fishing now i tell him...
"son...... we can,t keep all these fish we have to let them go.. and go home and eat pasta......because we are recreational fishermen that do it for fun/ etc but because the seas have been hammered by pros we can,t eat fish anymore unless we buy it..
blaahhhhhhhh this may get a few pple agro but i,m pissed.. bout the closure..
only because of what i found out ..that charters and pros can still pound the ground.
total reversal of what the closure was for..
these rules were made by amateurs.. and obviously not thought thru.
peace to every1..
damm better stock up the freezer then, usually you go out get a cple fish, eat them mybe have another feed in the freezer, but now pple have to go out and try n get 2 months of fish.. to get thru..
i think this is a reverse effect.
:::: Bass Hunter ::::
Dean
Posts: 1943
Date Joined: 23/02/07
Harro, you might also be
Harro, you might also be able to pay $200 to go on a charter and fish during the closed season for the v5.
WHAT A JOKE
Colby
Posts: 75
Date Joined: 03/06/08
Yea its all ass about, but i
Yea its all ass about, but i think it will be changed soon enough....i hope.
TerryF
Posts: 489
Date Joined: 11/08/05
Review of V5 - thought this was a crayfish thread???
Some people's expectations for delivering on election promises, (or criticisms if it doesn't happen) seem to be for LOTS of the things THEY want to be done in a VERY short time. How realistic????
The election promise actually said:
and that is happening (no AFAIK it's not finalised or public yet..... )
And look at the timeline:-
Libs/Nationals definitely know they will form a Government:- Sunday 14 September 2008
Ministers sworn in:- Tuesday 23 September, 2 days ago.
Today is am Thursday 25 September.
And we don't know who the Labor Shadow Fisheries Minister will be, that won't be announced until tomorrow (Friday).
Anyway, members of Parliament contact details for your comments or complaints http://www.parliament.wa.gov.au/index.htm
TerryF
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Bodie
Posts: 3758
Date Joined: 05/11/07
I kind of agree.. Sitting
I kind of agree..
Sitting back and talking about it is one thing, getting rec fish west to do it is another.
But a community as a whole, with voice can do so much more.
Terry do refishwest have any petition sheets or notion sheets which can be moved around to get some voice on the subject, from the people themselves.
I think your theory of being more concerned with the 20 billion dollar gas project is wrong. the government has different sections, different teams, different departments working on many different priorities.
we simply cannot accept an excuse like that.
Theres to much chopping and changing, and as you can see most people here dont give 2 shits about reducing catch limits, restriction zones, and even the bans to a degree. But this needs to be uniform for all.
If no one says anything, nothing gets done.
TerryF
Posts: 489
Date Joined: 11/08/05
Review of V5
Recfishwest has its VERY comprehensive election questions and issues http://www.recfishwest.org.au/ElectionPolicy2008.htm expecting responses and covering MUCH, MUCH MORE than just the V5 questions which people are asking.
Yep that doc has been discussed with political people and advisors and has been very well received - because it is REALISTIC.
The Government has been confirmed for just 11 days and counting..... Actually sworn in only 2 days ago.
V5 bans? People can do their research and read the the Fish Resources Management Act Regulations http://www.slp.wa.gov.au/legislation/statutes.nsf/main_mrtitle_1458_homepage.html and Fish Resources Management Act (Statute) http://www.slp.wa.gov.au/legislation/statutes.nsf/main_mrtitle_345_homepage.html
Changes must be published in the Government Gazette, so if you really want to know when these become law, watch http://www.slp.wa.gov.au/gazette/gazette.nsf/GazList?OpenView&Start=1&Count=30&Expand=1.1#1.1
TerryF
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carnarvonite
Posts: 8673
Date Joined: 24/07/07
Review of V5
I'm sure not going to hold my breath waiting for changes to be made.They will have a quick look at the figures,blame it on the previous government and leave it at that and hope it blows away like everything else.
BQ544
Posts: 361
Date Joined: 22/10/06
The new fisheries minister
The new fisheries minister is also the Mining and offshore oil and gas minister. He will not do a thing about the fishing ban this year. And he will probably change the amature cray catch because that has already been on the cards and he'll just go along with it.
If you voted Liberal thinking the fishing ban would change, you probably believe pigs can fly.......
DezzyTootoo
Posts: 24
Date Joined: 03/07/08
my 2 cents
If people representing us recs. aren`t doing want we want , get rid of them ...somehow .
and how come a vunerable species is allowed to be commercially exploited ? !!