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TerryF

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Beavering away in the background.......

 said in a earlier post,in Leeman their are three professionals now that can go and fish (weather permitting) anytime they like, its getting to the stage, is it worth going 300klms to fish and fish responsibily, we only fished once in 3 weeks, weather to risky with strong southerly, but guess what the professionals went out and some amatuers, sea rescue was worried they brought Vail II out, had her waiting.

SPEWIE LEWIE

If someone actually sat with the rec fishermen and asked them what was happening, things might be different.
The people with the most knowledge, are the ones who go out catching these fish.. IE: when they have eggs, where the smaller fish are and so on.
People like Ryan from Oceanside, have first hand knowledge of this...why wouldnt the fisheries use it.

I agree with what frank said this time a much careful approach
But that crap at the end as if they wanted what has happend like what matty said is what i dont aggree on.

The best thing which could happen would be ban everybody from catching the vulnerable 1 dhufish for 3 months a year
(PRO'S & RECS) but show the research why this needs to be done

Jason

The boffins that do the research don't need to go fishing to get their information.

Have seen them at Canning Vale fish auctions,Sealane'sCatalano's and Sealanes inspecting the fish while they are being filletted,taking samples etc.They have the name of the boat that caught it and now with the transponders on the boats the areas they were caught.

Why go bobbing around on the ocean when everything is laid out right before their eyes for no cost.On the wet liners all the fish are whole fish,just spiked with guts inso its not like on a demersal[shark net] boat that if its dead when it comes up its got to be gilled and gutted.The shark research boys from Hillarys come out frequently to check everything that gets caught as well as normal fisheries officers.[Still some miscreants still slip through]

Yes well, just to throw a few spanners in the works. I'm paid to collect those spawning specimens, its my primary role working for fisheries research.  We know when they spawn, have a pretty good idea where for a lot of species, just because you guys aren't told doesn't mean we don't know!!

http://fishwrecked.com/node/5758

Here footage of a dhuie being dissected that was due to spawn that night, note that the video was postage a bit later than the fish dissection, but clear that it was a March spawner.

How many Dhu fish have these so called experts actually caught to find out when and where they do spawn.  I've caught fish full of row throughout the entire year with a lot of fish in July through till well before Christmas. Fishing off Cape Naturalist in early spring you tend to find Dhu fish schooling and plenty have Row, also around the Abrolhos in May I have landed Dhu fish with row, Jurien Bay in April-May I have come across Dhu Fish schooling and have caught fish with row. I have caught Dhu fish off Bunbury between January and April and some of these fish have had row. I don't know how long a female carries her eggs for or when and where their main spawning grounds are or even whether they have any specific areas or even times when they spawn. I just hope some of our learned friends in high places can work something out soon while there are some fish to save. There needs to be a lot more research done to find out some answers!!!!!

fisheries have done thousands of samples and their data comes up with those spawning times, Jan maybe dec through to March

male jewies can spoof over ya boat at any stage, they are ready to go, but eggs in august, well, currents water tempt, can throw ya spanner where ever ya want,

the fact is , its fisheries management, you guys think it is easy, and then are quick to blame them, argue their science, when it seems that they are wrong

No one is right or wrong, thats what makes this fish the Jewie one of the hardest fish to study, you understanding this

Failure to treat this fish with the upmost care, wiill be at your peril,

i suggest you contact fisheries if you have these differences with their research and ask a explaination, but for fuk sake take them the frames guts and all

heres one for ya, Ian is struggling for frames, You know what i said. drag the nets around to teach people a leason to get ya samples, i bet alot more would hand in the frames if this happend. dont laugh either, if they dont get them, they can and would do it.

Wally

sorry had to post, the Jewie is an amazing fish, so different  to other species , they really are the icon fish of WA and deserves its rightful respect , its why i give a fark

I will support the proposed moritoriume (ban) during the season proposed,but only,if it is applied accrosse the board,not just the recreationals but the Pros and the charter,sure it will hurt,but the alternitives is that Dhus go the way of the Tassy Tiger,somthing the older people talk about,I will say now that I believe trying it is better that doing nothing,but only if its all involved,not just one section,and if it goes ahead,screwe the Minister and the fiheries,I will not ever assist them again.jersey

If some one takes 67 Dhu fish and 220 Pink Snapper plus by-catch in one area in one week, this is not conservation it is rape, pillage and greed or is this special rules for some, ie the pros. How many Recreational boats and how long would it take to do the same damage? Also how many dead under size fish were in this catch?? Every Recreational fisher I have spoken too are all for Conservation, and allowing one sector to rape and pillage is not going to solve the problem. If the powers to be were serious, they would Ban nets and long line fishing, our Dhu fish just don't recover from this quickly enough!!!!!!

Blackbetty we have caught them recently spraying milk /milt also so its not just the roe factor!

arh this is the  factor, males are ready to go, females arent, thats why i posted. the roe in females is the important part especailly if ya had them in august, but are they ready like in that video is another factor

as for the coms / rec debate. i cant explain this enough for you guys its to friggn hard, but i will say

1 the commercails can no longer fish the metro, this includes the shark nets, a great win for the recs considering thats where a very high % of the recs fish across the state, you want one out, all out. they will want it back ,  for fark sake dont loose this win,think about what you are asking for, because it is huge, they cant even keep a fish from a pot. yeah yeah the guy in the sound can still catch pinks. this is being worked on, trust me, ford wasnt happy when he got told about this. you have the BIGGEST recreational fishing haven this whole country has got and ya whining like a bunch of kids that lost ya bag of lollies

2, please guys read the wetline review, yep long read, but very worthy. I dont know how to tell ya how good this is, but Ian Stagles is the best man in rec fishing circles to judge rec gains, he said to me the other day, this is the most signifcant win recs have ever had in his over 40 years of recreational involvement with fisheries management, thats saying something . whether ya like him or not, he has always pushed the rec barrow more then any one across this state, on all issues

now take this as ya want, i dont care, well i do, but i trust this bloke. and coming from  me who argues with this man that conservation of the fish isnt greater, i think ya get my piont.

all i ask.is understand the process, becareful what ya wish for, and at least acknowledge what some have spent their own time trying to win for you, they are great  wins

Times are changing, why do i feel gay all of a sudden, must be one of the lamest posts i have ever made,  

Wally Parkin 

For the record for those that asked, Dr Mike Mackie has asked/ interviewed  100's of  recreational/ commercail fisherman about their experinces and some bloody good fisherman at that. is that good enough science thou, ancedotal 

Damo wouldnt have a clue, Tangles on here is a commercial fisherman ask him, he would tell ya how many he pulls up a year. i reckon at a guess 2 or 3 a week, as for stopping fish from getting in, stop the fish i am sure you would stop the crays as well  dont ya think. they should be allowed to keep these anyway IMO 

Wally

Wally I have no problem with people keeping fish that are caught in cray pots, most are so distressed they die anyway and the rest are just shark fodder so I can't see why the cray boys can't keep a feed. My main concern with pros using nets and long set lines is that they take whole schools of fish in one area, whether these schools are juveniles or of breeding age. This type of fishing is destroying fish stocks all over the world, you only have to look what happened to the Cod stocks in the Atlantic and Blue fin Tuna are at there lowest levels ever, if the powers to be can't see this then they should change jobs. Jill St John needs to get a life and have a look at what is really going on, if and I say if these ( V5 ) fish species are at such a low level than something major needs to be done about it and that means everyone involved in the fishery, not just one sector. Pros, Charter Operators and Recreational fishers alike. If it is found that a certain time of the year is most beneficial to these fish to breed than have a total fishing ban for a few months, and that means every one. Banning nets and long line fishing now would go a long way in solving this problem and reducing Recreational boat limits can only be for the good of these species.

When I spoke to Mrs St Jean ,she told me that the recreational catch was huge,(i think she said 300tonne)? and this was taken not from log books ,as we do not have them ,but from asking the rec fisherman and recording his catch,Now If any of the better,more experienced fisherman are asked ,and say they got 5 dhus,and the reseacher then asks another 10 boats ,and comes up with a total catch of 30 to 50 fish does he then multipy this by the number of boats in the parking area,say 50 trailers (boats) then says,  well,if 10 boats got 30/50 fish 50 boats must of got 250 fish on average.I would like to of been one of them.

Also,I have heard that the charter fisherman Eg the fare paying passengers,are counted as part of the recreational catch statistics? so this in its selfe would add to the recreational boat owners total,but we all kow that charter boats can go out further and in poorer weather that most small boats. I am not sure as to any of this but I believe that some is on the money,and so it is worth throwing aropund in this forum to enable us and those who represent us,(rec fiherman) to have more info,just my thoughts,jersey

This is the most signifcant win recs have ever had over 40 years,Yes wally that is great,but lets get 2nd most significant win have this V1 Dhufish banned from capture for a period or periods across the board.

sorry had to post, the Jewie is an amazing fish, so different to other species , they really are the icon fish of WA and deserves its rightful respect , its why i give a fark

Thats why we all give a fark Wally

Jason

Hi Terry,yes I agree in part and some parts all to what you said in the response,Mrs St Jean said 2004/2005 I think,but as I did not have a recorder and we spoke for some time on many issues with the V5 I did not feel totaly comfortable quoting it,so that is why I posted it with the caption,throwing it around.to gain more info,but lets be honest,I have fihed the Perth waters ,Augusta,too the Montes,including the Abrolise,I have also dived on most of it,since 1967,I have taken a lot of fish,but I have also noticed a sharp decliens in numbers and size in the past 10/15 years,and yes,the recreational has had an impact on the stockes,and the number of recreational boats has increased along with the electronics,but I firmly believe that most rec fisherman try and do the right thing. and I respect the wet line proffessionals rite to have an income,but Not the Cray fisherman,a wet line fisherman can not catch crays,an Abolone diver can not catch crays, recreationals must abide by the laws and rules,why is it that some cray fisherman think that as they are fisherman they should be alowed to take  as they please,do any members know what the average income is from cray fishing,Has any member b ought Dhu fish (real) from a fish & chipy,or for that Kalisis will have it and its fresh but most goes where? matter,in resturants,apart from the top ones,Meads,Red Herring and top hotels,how much money is the Dhu fish industry worth to the WA fisherieson the comercial side of the ledger? and how much do the recreationals spend,Boats,motors,service,Trailers,bait,rods,hooks fuel ,accomidation ask the Tackel shops how much the recreationals spend,on average,I will bet that the income from amature /recreational fisherman to the state related industries is far more than the cray fisherman contribute ,after all,they claim thier expensise back on tax,All I can say is ,we ,the fishing community,must accept that fish stokes are low,and then act to try and preserve them for the future,but all parties must be in the same boat,pros,recreationals and charter,I would not mind paying any extra $5.00 or $10.00 on my boat rego as long as it went to compensate the lost income of wet liners or charter operators,NOT tht Cray fisherman,How many boats are owned by invesment people ,who employ skippers to fish the boats,as it can be a good tax offset.jersey   

I know of crayfisherman that owns ten boats..  I also personally know several lawyers that own in partership with others crayboats..  

SPEWIE LEWIE

sorry,I meant Lawyers,no wonder the laws seem defferent for some sectors of the community jersey