sand 4x4 tyres???

the tread on my pootrol is gettin a bit worse for wear these days and as i have mud terrains on it atm its not all that good for beach driving.... anyone got any suggestions???


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bridgestone desert duelers mate

Mon, 2009-11-02 15:59

ive tried  muddies before and i also tried bfg goodrich all terrains and the best of the lot was the desert duelers

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beach driving

Mon, 2009-11-02 16:05

nothing special. Just something that is within budget and handles well on the road - tyre pressure is waaaaaaaaaay more important than the type of tyre for beach driving.

 

If that is the only kind of off-roading you do, get an 80-20 bias tyre cos generally you spend more time of the black stuff than the sand......

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Bridgestone AT's

Mon, 2009-11-02 16:24

Duellers, cant beat them IMO 

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Pressure and power

Mon, 2009-11-02 16:28

Agree with Huggy pressures rule on the beach { go as low as you dare} and I'll also throw in power aswell with tyres coming in at third . Go for an all terrain type tyre if you mainly do beach driving as they generally do well on the blacktop too...

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cooper

Mon, 2009-11-02 16:30

Cooper ATR's are good, had them for our work car which was sand mainly.  Just not cheap. :(

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Hey Dreamy

Mon, 2009-11-02 17:13

best be advised to stay well away from the Dulops. Bridgys for me anyday. In anycase it really doesnt matter what tyre on the beach but for the correct tyre pressure. On the beach I drop down to 15 -20 psi and no probs in most cases dont have to use the 4wd selector. best of all 20psi is still good on the road till ya get to the servo to pumpem up again. Not trying to tell ya how to suck eggs you prob already know all of this.

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go coopers

Mon, 2009-11-02 17:21

ATR or ST.

not that expensive really when you factor in the life of the tyre

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sand tyres

Mon, 2009-11-02 17:46

sand tyres dont require a great amount of tread its all about air pressure and footprint, in saying that you dont want something with too weak a sidewall or you may get slashed on sharp rocky tracks which are quite common on our beaches and behind the dunes anywhere north of lancelin.

i had cheappies  on my GQ that did the job but i upgraded to 33's which lifted the diff and running gear a bit higher and give a heaps bigger footprint.  The tyres i got are BFGoodrich which have performed sensationally off and on the road, handle really well on wet bituman with little noise as compared to ccopers on the same car.  I found duellers to be the same price but with a thinner sidewall and not as many positive reccomendations

just stick within your budget but some tyre shops are a rip off so hunt around, i found bob jane north perth to be pretty good.

There is a place out in midland that sells cheap 2nd hand sets maybe could be an option also

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I've got Mickey Thompson ATZ

Mon, 2009-11-02 18:48

I've got Mickey Thompson ATZ 4 Rib. I let them down around the 12psi mark when on sand. Previously had Bridgestone Duelers D694's off memory - I'd suggest the bridgestones for sand/bitumen work... I find my all terrain tyres like digging sand.

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Tyres

Mon, 2009-11-02 19:05

The all are much the same,I worked on salmon teams carting ute loads of salmon off the beaches to our plant in Quindalup.We did comparasons between tyres and performance with vehicles being a v8 cruiser,88 diesel cruiser, 92 x 4.2 litre diesel cruiser,Nissan 4.2 diesel and a petrol cruiser,it all came down to tyre pressures and driver ability on the beach ,mileage didn't vary greatly between brands.
The main trick is to go down to 18psi and if you get in the shirt don't leave it until too late before dropping the down to 8-10 or even as low as 4lb

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Mon, 2009-11-02 21:41

Used to be on and off the beach a couple of times a day. My last three sets have been Desert Duellers (on a SWB Cruiser), then Coopers, and Eldorado ZR4 (on LWB Patrol).

All seemed to do the job on the sand. Major difference on the road though. Found the Desert Duellers a bit scary in the wet, and had this confirmed by a few mates and my tyre dealer.

The Eldorado are apparently a Cooper copy. I got good miles out of the Coopers (about 80000km for memory), but the Eldorados have been outstanding. 130000km and still with plenty to go. Would have been better still, but I drove them around over inflated, and wore them down in the middle a bit.

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joy!

Mon, 2009-11-02 23:18

cheers for the info guys, i know that pressure is THE main factor in sand drivin always let mine down to around 12psi seems to work pretty good, was just askin so the next set i get wont be a disapointment. cheers again lads.

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Tue, 2009-11-03 08:10

BFgoodrich there is no better at on the market you get nearly 100000 out of em (dads 200 series landcruiser wich is used for towing) and beach driving almost every weekend, thick sidewall wich is good for let down tyres as harder to stake and no road noise. have driven on
dunlop at
kelly at
goodyear at
desert dueler at
and none even came close to the performance of the bfg
b ut in saing that tyre pressure is the most important part of beach driving

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4x4 tyres

Tue, 2009-11-03 22:56

Agree with most comments above regarding pressure etc 18psi or LOWER.... Depends on your budget, required bitumen driving comfort/road noise etc etc etc and if the only off road work is on sand then any type of tyre will do in normal circumstances. I will not try to convert the converted but the following is from my experience only: Maxxis 751 - Good on road and sand ability... wouldn't recommend them for slippery or muddy conditions off road (Had the missus covering her eyes a few times Surprised ). Cheap but you won't get the km's that others give. BFG AT's - Excellent for sand and reasonably good mud tyres. Great onroad with a hint of road noise but bearable. Bridgestone Duellers - Can't comment as never tried them. Mickey Thompson ATZ's - Got them on now but only tried them at the lancelin dunes and was very impressed with them at 18psi in Hi 4WD with no spin. Hopefully going to cousin's farm next weekend to try them out on his "mud patch" at Bindoon next weekend Laughing

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BFG Longtrail

Tue, 2009-11-03 23:00

Forgot to mention the BF Goodrich Longtrail tyres... Excellent for 100% bitumen but forget them for any off road work apart from gravel. Might as well just put any standard radial tyre on.
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Wheel Alignment

Tue, 2009-11-03 23:06

Don't make the same mistake I did.... Make sure you get your wheel alignment checked regularly.... Cost me $890 for 2 new BFG's after 30,000 kms because I didn't do it!!!!
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ht

Thu, 2009-12-24 18:39

the best tyres for sand and beach driving are by far believe it or not highway terrain tyres because muddies dig into sand like a shovel getting you bogged while highway tyres with reduced pressure will just float over sand, the only downside to ht tyres is that if you like outback driving, rocks, highway tyres are more likely to get puncutered, so what do you go for, got for all terrains, i prefer bridgestone duelers

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Sat, 2009-12-26 11:31

I had a set of desert duellers on my patrol and with 50% tread still on them it was like skating on ice in the wet. I put BFG ALL TERAINS on and they stuck like shit to a blanket and got 85000ks on them

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Muddies

Sat, 2009-12-26 11:47

Desert duellers are by far the worst tyre eva shit side walls and no thought been put into tread design. For sand driving BFG mudders or Pro-Comp Xterrains. Let them down and spin them fast!

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desert duelers

Sat, 2009-12-26 11:56

my old boy swears by desert duelers and his had a great run on them everytime

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dunlop st road grippers

Sat, 2009-12-26 11:54

dunlop st road grippers

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Just to clear something up

Sat, 2009-12-26 20:55

The Desert Duelers I run are the 604RV from Memory , stay away from the White writing Duelers as these are made in Japan and truly are crap ,The ones with No white writing are made in Aus, I live in Tom Price and we get out bush a fair bit and haven't had a problem until you get down to below 40% tread life but then you will stake any tyre that worn I believe from experience , the Access Road that runs along the train line to Dampier is a pretty good testing ground for tyres , if there not up to scratch you can do 2 or 3 tyres in a 250km trip .

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muddies suck

Sat, 2009-12-26 16:25

muddies suck for sand driving, when i was at callcup hill, a landcruiser with muddies took 5 attemts to make the hill, we in  our triton with dueler HT's flew up first time, and yes he had let down his tyres to 10-12  psi

yeah for the guy in tom price, when the post said "sand 4x4" i thought sand HT's are excellent their, but as you said anywhere like the rough outback tracks and their TOAST- every tyre has it ups and downs, muddies-tough bad on road, bad sand tyre

HT's-weak, good road performance, good sand tyre

i pesonally like all terrains but where you drive sounds like you got no other choice than muddies

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The trick with mud terrains

Sat, 2009-12-26 16:35

The trick with mud terrains is you need the horse power to turn them fast. The large lugs actually throw sand similar to a paddle tyre. Landcruisers especialy deisels are very heavy and slow hence thats why he would have had trouble at Callcup.

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Desert Duelers

Sat, 2009-12-26 17:13

Desert Duelers = 3 punctures in one weekend, BFG All Terrains = no punctures ever and a 100000 kms out of them, had a few pairs on several vehicles now, predominately beach work. Would never go back, did consider Coopers but has limited support in the country if its a warranty thing.

Go with what you can afford at the end of the day :)

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duelers

Sat, 2009-12-26 18:40

duelers are probably as you said crap for anything involving work were puncuters are promininant, but as beach tyres their fine, you just gotta learn to drive in sand, soon as u bog, reverse out and try again, reduce pressures and youlle be fine, havent gotten a punture yet,

where the hell do u guys drive!!?

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Learn to drive in sand your

Sun, 2009-12-27 18:43

Learn to drive in sand your the one getting bogged and reversing out?Undecided

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getting bogged and reversing out is inevitable when driving

Sun, 2009-12-27 19:00

in soft sand

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i pulled out a triton with me landcruiser

Sun, 2009-12-27 19:04

i had hancock road tyres on toyota standard skiny split rims - and he had big goodyear wrangler muddies on big fat sunraisa rims and hebogged down to the axles on the beach running 10 psi - i had 14psi in me cruza and pulled him straight out - no dramas he got bogged again after that

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Inevitable

Sun, 2009-12-27 19:34

 300hp 7" lift and 35"muddies dont get bogged but then again neither does the missus suzuki

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spose

Sun, 2009-12-27 19:48

LOL...........300hp?.........

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dunlop sp road grippers

Sun, 2009-12-27 19:51

on skinnies

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cost

Sun, 2009-12-27 20:01

theres a few name brands around, i prefer coopers as they do cost a few dollars more but they are good for 80 tp 90 k kms and hamdle the beach , road and weight from towing, as huggy said 95% of your travel is on the hard top so they need to be quiet ,also it willl get down to how much you want to spend and then it will depend on how you drive and how serious 4wd driving you do. i have seen plenty of 4wds go down on the beach through lack of experience not from lack of equipment and quality of gear on their 4 wds, my 2 cents is Cooper then BFG with a road pattern not the muddies

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Seriously best i have seen

Sun, 2009-12-27 20:26

Seriously best i have seen is pro-comp xterrains the V pattern they have seems to throw sand better than any. Eva seen beach buggies with highway terrains theres a reason they use paddles, wide with low pressures and big lugs to chuck sand.

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big lugs to dig holes

Sun, 2009-12-27 20:43

i used to operate a bobcat mate and an aggresive tread pattern develops less traction in the sand than a bald tyre its easier to drive the bobcat thru the dirt with bald tyres than tyres with tread on em

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Thats cos they are skid steer

Sun, 2009-12-27 20:45

Thats cos they are skid steer

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yer but wheels are wheels

Sun, 2009-12-27 20:49

its got nothing to do with the way the vehicle steers - the machine gets bogged with aggressive tread on and drives well with bald tyres

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hey evr seen

Sun, 2009-12-27 20:57

hey ever seen a beach buggies with paddle tyres on the road, didnt think so, bald tyres do better, highway tyres are excelent sand tyres, u even tried HT tyres in sand.

wen you let down your tyres ur not looking to have super wide tyres, youre lookin for the lenght when it bags out, sorta like a tank track

 

and reversing out into the already compacted track is the easiest and safest thing to do, as soon as you feel the 4x4 start to bog try reverse out, then start pullin out youre dangerous straps and youre winches. obvoisly if youre bog to the axles reversin out is not goin work 81macca, if you dont no about reversing out before trying anything else i think u should learn to drive in sand

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tru i second that

Sun, 2009-12-27 21:09

fair enuff a big monster truck with a massive lift and big 35" tyres is gonna tear along but its gonna rip up the sand and make a mess much easier to cruise along with low tyre pressure in 2nd or 3rd gear low range - and wen ever the 4wby stops on the beach reversing back out and forward 4 or five times compacts the sand and makes a take off point to build momentum " compact 10m of beach ....take off in 2nd low .......change to 3rd and stay in 3rd maybe 4th if its hard or just use 1st n 2nd high ...if the sands hard enuff

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I find most people that do

Sun, 2009-12-27 21:21

I find most people that do get bogged in soft sand is because of lack of momentum low range is for rocks/hill climbs and to decend steep hills high range all the way when it comes to sand. Gotta remember we do this for fun no use pussy footing around throw some rooster tails.

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.

Sun, 2009-12-27 21:31

Frown

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HT the way to go on the

Sun, 2009-12-27 22:57

HT the way to go on the beach. No doubt about it.

But if you want AT tyres - BFGs.