NEW BRAID TO LEADER CONNECTION???
Submitted by Ryan C on Mon, 2011-02-07 20:21
i have just read the article by Mike Roennfelt in the latest western anglerand in it he mentions the connection Ant Simper uses for braid to leader connections, an improved albright but without the bimini in the braid? so in effect a single strand of braid which you do a normal improved albright in , i have just done two of these in 65tuf line to 100lb 10x and 20lb tuf line to 40;lb 10 x and while i don"t have scales i have pulled pretty damn hard on both connections without failure! maybe another option ????? it certainly ties well and is very slim through the guides with the single braid instead of the multiple wraps of doubled (bimini) braid?/ what do you think?? cheers
till
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The mono tag end faces the
The mono tag end faces the wrong way and there are plenty of better options.
Lucky Tim
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I've never tied the
I've never tied the albrights with a bimini, just single strand braid.
That's how I thought most albrights were tied?
Chuditch
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I always tied the
I always tied the albrights single strand unitil I had a couple of knots fail on good fish. The knot gets freyed after long casting sessions. Always do bimini twist beforehand now or gt knot.
allrounder
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I am the same as you
on this one Tim.I think a few guys spend more time researching and tying knots than fishing
So tell me have you got your info from years on the water or hours on the internet?
SamC
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Yep in the same boat as
Yep in the same boat as Jamie, tag faces the wrong way.
Have a cast with it and hear the nice noise as it goes through the guides.
Cheers,
Sam
DazSamFishing
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I personally wouldn't tie an
I personally wouldn't tie an improved albright without a double in the main line (bimini).
MattMiller
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I used to use
this connection all the time untill I learned Bimini to GT. I think all connections will rattle thru the guides until you start using a PR or FG knot.
Personally I havn't got the time or inclination to learn knots like those.
Lucky Tim
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the slim beauty is a good
the slim beauty is a good knot for this sort of stuff where you don't need to tie a double and the mono tag faces back towards the rod tip
Daisy
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I'm with you Tim but still
I'm with you Tim but still tie the bimini (at least 50 turn) but it probably isn't necessary, just my comfort zone :-D
The view expressed in this post is that of a self opinionated bullshitter and does not reflect that of this website, it's owners, mediators, other members or anyone else for that matter :-P
Auslobster
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I use albrights...
...with the single strand of braid on baitcaster/overhead outfits. This knot seems to come undone when I use it on spin gear, so I go the slim beauty with single strand braid or GT with bimini for that.
grayzeee
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before i learned the bimini ,
before i learned the bimini , i used to tie single strand to albright with no probs when albright sinched down well.
i still use an albright if re rigging on boat in rougher seas
noise through the guides casting an albright or winding a gt knot back in through guides to always getting caught on line roller.
If I spent half as long fishing , as I do reading this bloody forum , I'd be twice the fisherman I am.
JohnF
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I use the GT for lighter
I use the GT for lighter braid to mono. Good for casting and reliable once you learn to really tighten the mono double overhand knot first.
Tend to use a bimini to albright on the boat if I have been busted off, as it is very quick, even did a dodgy one without a bimini the other day when fishing for tailor off the beach after the 3rd bustoff....but this have beeen proven to be much weaker than with a bimini by load tests but OK for light stuff like tailor I guess.... The albright goes through the roller worse than the GT as the tags faces forward, birds nest was the result on one occasion.
Have now progressed to the PR knot for all PE5 and above, may even give it a shot on PE3. Excellent knot, but takes 10 minutes to tie. A bit too hard on the boat for me, but no worries at home, only took 2 practices to get right once I worked out the bobbin. Worth the hassle guys, as this is one mean knot.
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till
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And don't just assume that a
And don't just assume that a knots going to be better, make sure you test it!
I tested my FG knots and found out that my GTs were busting at a higher breaking strain. Sometime when I'm bored, I'll try and find out why.
Brody
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I love Bimini -> GT. Can't
I love Bimini -> GT. Can't beat it for strength vs time/ease to tie I reckon.
JohnF
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Brody was my master teacher
Brody was my master teacher on the GT.....only took 3 trips back to the shop to get it right, hey Brody.......agree with Brody's opinion that the GT the best relaible knot that casts well and tied in a reasonable time.....ta mate!
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Brody
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Hahah...I'm happy to show it
Hahah...I'm happy to show it to anyone, because it's one of those knots that is so much easier to do when shown by someone, and is so damn easy after a few times. Sales of leader spools are at an all time low though due to less bust-off's
wallacewt
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truth about knots,no bull shit
12 turn bimini tied to fg knot is strongest knot tested on the igfa istron machine.the more twist in a bimini the weaker the knot,esp; over 20 twists.fg knot is not an option because it takes 5 minutes to tie it. so the 2nd best knot is a yucatan or bristol knot tied to 12 turn bimini.all knots will catch fish,some are better than others.go here. www.sportfishingmag.com results of the knot challange,b/s line and bimini results.make sure you read all three articles.youll never tie another uni and countless other knots.hope this helps
wallacewt
till
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How many twists in the bimini
How many twists in the bimini is totally line dependant.
wallacewt
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we are talking braid/leader
we are talking braid/leader.have you read. at the breaking point and knot challenge.?
wallacewt
till
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I have read the breaking
I have read the breaking point and knot challenge, I linked it back in September 2010.
I disagree that all bimini knots should be 12 turns only, the guys over at 360 tuna benchmarked plenty of 50 and 60 turn knots over 12 turn ones.
MattMiller
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That was my
understanding Jamie. I have always read and been told to do at least 50 turns when tying a bimini in braid. Strange that they've said 12?
harro
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30 twists
by rule , that i have been taught and it works for me,
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Rig
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shorter leader
I run a shorter leader when rigging for northern spin platforms. I dont like casting knots although the slim beauty sounds good might have to try. I run with a wire trace about 300-400mm and about 500mm of my leader usually 80lb using a bimini improved albright and cant think of a time when i have been busted off on that, also if i get sharked I want the leader to be short enough so the shark can bust me off and not end up spooling me. Alot of people get busted land based because they arent prepared to put their rod in the right spot and keep it away from sharp edges if you use a short rod you need to be closer to the edge especially when gaffing etc. In the boat it doesnt really matter so long as its strong. but i agree with Grayzee keep it simple when your out fishing some of those knots can be impossibel in a 20knot wind lol.
I also picked up a little tip from that mulloway article in wangler (they are corkers) something that may help me with my mulloway fishing, great thing about fishing is you never stop learning
wallacewt
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i do the same.5" bimini in
i do the same.5" bimini in braid,tied to swivel or ring with palomar knot then 12"fluoro,mono,or wire tied to hawaiian clip for quick change.rocks beach or baitcaster.cheers
wallacewt
MattMiller
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That setup
is limited to shore based small stuff mate. In most boat and heavy shore based applications you really need at least 2m of leader to protect agianst abrasive surfaces, tail wacking and easier leadering when you get the fish boat/shoreside.
wallacewt
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i agree,i use the full extent
i agree,i use the full extent of allowable leader according to the igfa rules.little short 12"was meant for baitcaster.
wallacewt
grayzeee
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uni trumps palomar in my
uni trumps palomar in my tests every time
uni is one knot to be without
If I spent half as long fishing , as I do reading this bloody forum , I'd be twice the fisherman I am.
allrounder
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I am guessing you guys that complain about the tag facing the
wrong way are casting with the knot inside the guides.Why?
So tell me have you got your info from years on the water or hours on the internet?
grayzeee
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if i attached my leader so it
if i attached my leader so it didn't cast through some guides , it'd be less than a meter long which is a bit too short for me personally. how long a leader do you guys use on your plastics gear???
If I spent half as long fishing , as I do reading this bloody forum , I'd be twice the fisherman I am.
till
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I run a long leader to avoid
I run a long leader to avoid wearing my braid but each to their own. Usually around the spool, back out the guides, and to my lure.
Some may see value in running a less reliable knot that doesn't cast as well, and compensating by casting it from outside the guides - I don't.
allrounder
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all the casting gear i run about 1 to 1.5 meters
i would rather lose the odd fish to the reef (and most of the ones that reef you on poppers it wont matter how long it is)than have a knot through the guides.1 it does damage that is not needed 2 it cuts down on the cast 3it doesnt matter which way your tag end is it will either catch going out or back in and i have seen more comp winning fish lost to knots not going back in easy.4 All the guys that fish big poppers that i have fished with run a short leader some tie a bimini some dont.
So tell me have you got your info from years on the water or hours on the internet?
grayzeee
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i'm also worried about fish
i'm also worried about fish seeing the braid = less bites
If I spent half as long fishing , as I do reading this bloody forum , I'd be twice the fisherman I am.
Nelly
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I tie a pr knot or fg knot in
I tie a pr knot or fg knot in anything over 15lb if i have time.Otherwise i tie a variation of the gt knot thats even faster than normal to tie you don't have to bother threading the whole spool of leader like a normal gt knot.
garethgkr
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I've got a bimini on my braid
I've got a bimini on my braid then on to a improved albright (50m of 30lb big game mono) on a penn 850ssm, which is used for beach fishing/rock fishing. Have skull dragged rays around 50kgs without any problems.
On my other rods i just use uni to uni on my 20lb braid to 30lb 10x leader. So far nothing has gotten wrong.
Don't know any of the fancy knots you guys are mentioning above, but if someone wants to teach. I'll be really happy. :)
MattMiller
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Good old Google
mate, i'm sure alot/most guys on here have learnt a knot or 3 just from looking at pics or video demo's that are easily searched for on google.
garethgkr
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Some are easy just by
Some are easy just by looking at pictures. But nothing beats seing it done in real life. Will be able to take in every detail needed.
dodgy
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Bimini - Wind-on. Nothing to
Bimini - Wind-on. Nothing to catch on anything.
Does anyone know where the love of god goes, when the waves turn the minutes to hours?
Billcollector
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Couldn't have summed it up
Couldn't have summed it up any better Dodgy. Why f@#k around.
Lastchance
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Ha!
K.I.S.S. theory strikes again!
POC
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Spider hitch or bimini in comps
Wind ons are awsome and quick not to hard to make your self.
Shane dovendans in the NT makes some nice ones at a good price.
Cheers POC
dodgy
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I use Shanes as I cant be
I use Shanes as I cant be bothered making them up myself.
Does anyone know where the love of god goes, when the waves turn the minutes to hours?
deezydee
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We make our own windons,
We make our own windons, about 3m of leader. When the leader gets all chaffed up we just trim them down and use them as a casting windon.When you get it down pat, 20 in an avo`s a good result.
fishfish
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splicing
Agree with Dodgy ! JB hollow and splicing ....
cheers fishfish.
bitten
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wow my head is
wow my head is spinning
seriously considering switching from mono to braid for beach fishing and landbased spinning seems i will have to learn some new knots
can you tie braid to a swivel or is it essential to tie it to a mono leader and then the mono to a swivel?
Spinnerak
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I use an improved albright
I use an improved albright no bimini no nothing for everything, never had it fail even under serious pressure.
Subway cookie is the best burley
till
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Are you sure you even weigh
Are you sure you even weigh enough for serious pressure?
Ryan C
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Jamie??
what is the definition of serious pressure??????????? LOL!!!!!
till
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Heh, not sure that spinneryak
Heh, not sure that spinneryak weighs enough to pull drag on my heavy outfit, so more than that ;)
Spinnerak
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i don't mean serious pressure
i don't mean serious pressure llike 50lb drag, but light line being pushed to its breaking strain without the knot failing
Subway cookie is the best burley
Ryan C
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pressure
i know someone thats been under some of that "serious" pressure you refer to very recently.....lol!!!! although he handled it in his usual H.igh S.tandard cheers