Good knots for braid
Submitted by AmericanBen on Fri, 2009-10-09 22:19
Lost a nice fish on Thur due to a bust off. I have been using uniknots but don't get the warm fuzzy with them. Are there any better knots I should be using. Cheers, Ben

CURT
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i reccon you cant beat a uni
i reccon you cant beat a uni knot. but remember to do more wraps when using braid or else it will slip.
Lucky Tim
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GT knot is a good one for
GT knot is a good one for braid to medium/heavy leaders. Double uni has always been considered a good one, are you sure the knot was the problem?
hlokk
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Uni knots between braid and
Uni knots between braid and mono arent all that strong, usually around 50% (but it does vary on a few factors). Though, considering most people wil run 1/3rd or 1/4 of the line strength, and braids are often over the stated strength, its pretty unlikely they will break in practice. I like to use the best knot I can and not settle on adequate though :p. An improved albright is usually a stronger knot, and not very hard to tie (but there are a few tips that can be important depending on lines). Doubling the braid can help too (though, i find the improved albright harder to get neat like that)
I use a bimini, then from that usually a GT knot. Takes a bit more time to tie, but I find I dont need to tie them very often, and I like the added security. The line will usually break just above the bimini, and about 80% knot or better from the braids i've tested. If you match the leader to the line, often you can get it to snap at the end of the leader, so you only have to tie a uni knot when you bust off. You can still use a heavier leader at the end of the main leader though.
DazSamFishing
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Yeah, I'd suggest attempting
Yeah, I'd suggest attempting an improved albright. But would also suggest learning to make a double in your mainline first, i.e. bimini. It isn't difficult.
Practice makes perfect...
Also depends on what strength line you're using. I personally don't use improved albrights with line greater than PE5.
There's a wide range of joining knots out there... best to start with the simpler & quicker knots.
Feral
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GT knot for me all the way
GT knot for me all the way ... never had one pop at the knot yet and i find i can tie it in all line classes with any leader with only a small amount of pratice ... it just depends on the amount of time you have to try it out.
Kasey L.
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Hi, For braid to mono, uni
Hi,
For braid to mono, uni to uni is very weak, and so is albright. I believe the improved albright is only a slight improvement, but still very weak. Sometimes you can pop these knots with your hand, even using line rated to 30lb!
The knot with the highest strength for braid has been shown to be a bimini, although the number of twists has been disputed. I believe in around 45 and that of more importance are the cross-wraps back on itself. I start mined spaced out slightly and only get them tight as I finish. This is to prevent slippage which might make the line cut into itself under high tension.
I then use a GT knot. This, if tied properly, almost certainly offers an immediately noticeable improvement in strength over almost any other knot I have tried out there, save a good FG or PR knot.
brenz
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i have found improved
i have found improved albrights are only good to 10lb and anything over that they will pop easy as especially on pe4 up.
i prefer the gt knot easy to tie and ultra efective
grayzeee
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i use bimini to
i use bimini to albright
check out videofishingknots.com
you must leave some braid tag hanging off the albright and make certain it's cinched down as tight as poss. it will slip a small amount under great pressure so the braid tag i leave at about 5mm, but it will tighten.
after a bit of pull testing, i found the biminialmost never failed.
concentrate on getting the albright right , tight and cinched down.
i make my albright wraps heading up the main line.
If I spent half as long fishing , as I do reading this bloody forum , I'd be twice the fisherman I am.
fishfish
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Double to GT
Can a GT knot be tied with a bimini double as most vids and diagrams show them being tied with single strand PE .
Does the knot still pull up neatly with a double used and I presume its critical to get even tension on both strands of the double when pulling tight other wise you would have a tight and loose doubled loop ...
Hope that makes sense cheers....
fishfish
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double post
sorry double post
Kasey L.
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Hi, I'm not sure if we're
Hi,
I'm not sure if we're talking about the same GT knot but I don't think its possible to tie it without a bimini double.
http://fishwrecked.com/image/i-made-right-mess-it?PHPSESSID=2dab0c7046863d3bcbdeeb6561972f79
HuggyB
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might be just me
but i think your link aint good Kasey....
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HuggyB
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try this thread
and click on the link in Kasey's post.
http://fishwrecked.com/forum/joining-leader-braid
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Kasey L.
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Sorry, wrong
Sorry, wrong link.
http://fishwrecked.com/image/tying-gt-knot
hlokk
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A few tips for GT
A few tips for GT knots:
Dont need a massive bimini
If you leave the leader on the spool, you just open the bimini, drop your spool through, then bring it under one leg and drop through the loop, then bring under the other leg, then over and drop through again. Much quicker than threading line through. I do 12 turns.
Before you start pulling the knot up, grab the bottom part of the loop, pinch it and slide it down, then keep sliding/pushing the line down a little so it tends to bunch up near the bottom. Wetting it is also good. As you clinch the knot, keep the wraps of braid away from the knot because then tend to clinch up near the stopper knot in the mono and you're left with unclinched braid. Using less turns in the previous step can help a bit though (I need to rememeber to check the strength of less turns).
Make sure you keep even pressure on both tag ends, particularily as you do the last clinch. The easiest way to do this is to always pull the braid above the bimini, so you're holding one strand of braid. This is where a short bimini helps.
Also, I go one or two more loops around when doing the figure of 8 (as shown to me by Honsu) but the strength of the knot is in the braid clinching on the mono, so the mono knot just acts as a stopper, so its a bit of personal preference.
The bit Kasey mentioned about not starting tight on the bimini is a good way to stop it slipping. I've tied 60 turn biminis in tufline and had them slip. When I varied the tightness of the down wraps, it held better. For most lines though, I havent had any slips keeping it tight (but starting with wider spacing doesnt hurt much anyways)
out wide
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Trilene improved for braid
you won't get busted off with this knot cause the line will always give way first. Try it for yourself at home. I read the strongest knot winner at knot wars is the fish and fool knot. It done the palomar over which is hard to do.
fishfish
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Different names !!
HA HA now I seen 4 knots with the same GT knot name no wonder I'm getting confused when tying them.
The one Kasey and Hlokk and talking about is similar to one I've seen but with a uni tied in the leader to act as the stopper knot but its tied last ....
But they all seem to work on friction wraps to join the two lines together even the PR/FG knot rather than "loops" as in Unis and Albrights...
I wonder why Unis work so well then when tying to terminal gear if they form cutting loops or even catspaws/off shore knots when doing loop to loop connections...
Cheers
hlokk
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Uni knots in mono are good,
Uni knots in mono are good, I use them for nearly all teminal connections. In braid they arent so good. Mono to braid they arent as good because the thinner braid cuts through the mono. To terminal gear, there is no thin line/braid so you you dont have the same problems. Its the two different lines that form 'cutting loops'