Fuel Prices
Submitted by feral1975 on Fri, 2008-11-07 12:22
Just fuelled up the two cars and my boat today in maddington for $1.22 a litre bit of a change from two weeks ago at $1.52 , hopefully it's good karma
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Submitted by feral1975 on Fri, 2008-11-07 12:22
Just fuelled up the two cars and my boat today in maddington for $1.22 a litre bit of a change from two weeks ago at $1.52 , hopefully it's good karma |
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Dreamweaver
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Great news Feral
But our cheapest is around 150.9
- if I send you a RP envelope - can you post me some down? 
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Auslobster
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Still a rip off...
The world oil price is half of what it was a couple of months ago...why is the pump price not half of what it was? Somebody's lining their pockets somewhere...
hlokk
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Thats because the aussie
Thats because the aussie dollar went the way of birds near a bait school.
We could be paying less than a dollar a liter if the aussie dollar was like it was earlier in the year
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Dreamweaver
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Birds, Bait School and the Ozz $
"Thats because the aussie dollar went the way of birds near a bait school."
OK, see if I get this right Matt (using your reference) , it's taken a dive, and we hope it rises again, hope it doesn't submerge in the middle!
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roberta
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Diesel still way way up there
we keep our long range tank full, wonder when diesel is coming down a bit more.
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feral1975
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Diesel is something i cant
Diesel is something i cant work out as I thought ( could be wrong here as I haven't got a degree in chemical engineering ) diesel dosen't take as much refinement as say unleaded does .
hlokk
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Its because we dont have as
Its because we dont have as big a diesel market compared to the petrol petrol market. (in europe where diesel is used in a lot of passenger cars as well as trucks, so its actually a little cheaper). Also theres a strong demand for it in other close by markets, such as asia. Also, degregulation and tightening standards.
This outlines it pretty well:
http://www.racq.com.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0009/10332/Diesel_Fact_Sheet_v8.pdf
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Tony Halliday
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ok here is the simple version
Diesel is cheaper and easier to produce than unleaded petrol ( light pretroleum refined stock, remember petrol is a blend of many hydrocarbon chemicals and not just one)
Diesel is a slighly refined distilate from medium to light crude oil normaly.
So you first produce diesel from crude oil and you normaly produce about 60% diesel to 40% light fuels ( that will include petrol, avgas for planes and lighter feedstocks for chemicals like ethanol, methanol, ether etc...)
Unleaded fuel is most expensive to produce in high octane ( premium form), so you ask why do we pay so much for diesel....
Because of profit, greed and basing the prices of our fuel on Singapor refinery prices...So Aussie fuel refineries make a killing.
We should be paying about 10~15% less for diesel than standard 91ROM octane fuel and about 5% more for 98~101 ROM octane fuel.
THATS the question we need to have the goverment ask....
WHY is diesel being ripped to hell and gone for profit.
Yes I am a chemical engineer, yes I have worked in a VERY large refinery.
some links for you:
http://science.howstuffworks.com/oil-refining7.htm
http://www.flickr.com/photos/8507083@N04/1265157845/
A "simple" if you can call it..flowsheet of crude to fuel
FAQ on fuel production:
http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/ask/gasoline_faqs.asp
how to make gasoline (petrol) from crude oil.
http://www.karlonia.com/2008/02/26/how-gasoline-is-made-from-crude-oil/
ps don't get fooled by the "it cost more to remove the sulphur from diesel" line.... it's as old as the hill mate.
Today we also have to refine petrol much more than the "good old days" and we remove heavy metals, have to use anit-knock compounds that are far more safe, but more expensive than the tera-ethyl-lead used in old leaded-fuel.
Diesel production in a modern low sulphur and world class refinery is still 15~20% cheaper to produce than 91ROM petrol. END of STORY. Premium fuel is much more rexpensive than all three due to the blending of high-octane hydrocarbons into it, that could be normaly sold off as fine chemicals.
LASTLY most refineries get more per litre for fine pure grade chemicals like ether, ethanol, methanol, xylene, benzene etc at 99.99% pure and higher than they will ever make on Petrol. FACT... just go look at the break down of profits in a refinery's year in sheets.
When I worked in the biggest refinerry in the Southern Hemisphere, we always made fine chemicals first, then if anything was off spec, we dumped it to the petrol / fuel streams, to later balance up the allowed water content and get the octane levels right. The petrol stream was the garbage stream of the plant. We where getting 4 times as much for pharma-grade and 99.99% pure hydrocarbons, than for petrol or diesel.
Tony
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roberta
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Thank you Tony
know when I hear the big oil companies ranting and raving how deisel is dearer to refine I will know its all verbal bulldust, thank you for explaining with your vast knowledge and experience also so I can understand it.
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Tony Halliday
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smoke and mirrors
Roberta,
the oil and fuel game is all about smoke and mirrors in hiding costs.
Many times they will use the fuel price to carry all the refining costs and you end up with sulphur, ammonia, nitrates for fertilisers etc all coming off as "free or subisdised" by-products. These are then sold seprately and the profit creamed off on a side wing of the company and not declared as a revenue from the crude refinery, a very old and good trick. Just like the boys up north like Woodside where able to take off light destilate from the gas wells and not pay royalty tax's on huge volumes of light oil sold off to refineries at top prices. Australia probally lost about $500million per year for WA in light distilate tax because of the loop-hole.
Thats a new hospital a year, or a new rail link every second year, etc....
Oil companies are supa rich, also they quick to blame the "bad boys" OPEC for rising fuel prices and holding back oil... Well OPEC only controls about 40~45% of the present feed into the market, the Russians, USA, French and British control a 40% shares, with the four South American Giants holding up to 205 market supply.
World oil supllies could easily be kept at $40 a barrel, peaking at a max of $50, if speculators and forward playing was eliminated. It's easier to get the code book for the Freemasons than to get the cost controls and movement of oil these days... makes you think who GW Bush and co where looking after and where he and his croanies will be in two years time!!!! back in the oil game!!!!
Tony
Full-time piscatorial-idiot, in The Vines. "It is always in season for old men to learn." Aeschylus (525-456 BC) Greek poet.
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Tony Halliday: ~Meals on Reels ~
It takes a strong fish to swim against the current. Even a dead one can float with it
"It is always in season for old men to learn." Aeschylus (525-456 BC)
"In a mad world only the mad are sane." Akira Kurosawa (1910-1998)
otoshi
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the thing is that in
the thing is that in Singapore, Malaysia and Indonasia, if anyone have notice the fuel price there, its always cheaper then petrol by at least 25% . sometime as much as 50% different. it did took me sometime to accept that diesel is more expensive then pertol here. weird huh?
and is it true that WA is paying about $0.20 more per litter for petrol compair to NSW?
big john
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Dang
I got excited when I filled up the boat for $1.72 per litre!
All relative though, was $1.84.
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NOHA
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Diesel used to be cheap
Diesel used to be cheap because it did not require much refining. But now to meet the new clean specs its needs much more refining to remove the sulphur and blending to increase the centane number, thats like octane number on petrol. All these fancy new turbo charged diesels need this fuel to run.
South east asia and other 3rd world countrie do not have clean fuel laws and continue to have very dirty, polluting but cheap diesel.
As for the price at the pump. When the oil price was shooting skywards so was the aussie dollar. So your dollar could afford more petrol the true cost of the rise was reduced at the pump. Meaning we actually paid less during the high.
Now that oil is falling your dollar has also slumped against the $US so you are paying more for your petrol. The difference is in the exchange rate not so much the price of a barrel of oil in $US.
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Twin turbo..V8 diesel..Ohh what a feeling!!
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HuggyB
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Diesel
Takes as much refining as petrol these days to get the sulphur down to an acceptable level - so the "less refining" arguement is somewhat of a myth from "the good old days".
And the reason it is so expensive is the high world demand for diesel. Mine sites, transport, shipping and so on all diesel. One of the ones I find most ironic thing is the gas platforms all run on diesel generators and not gas
High demand, high price......
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piston broke
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fuel
too true we are ripped off
diji
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BP kwinana buys all the crap crude alot cheaper
Because they can process it,and they ask all contractors to have an open book when it comes to contracts,lets ask them for a open book what there profits are????????
Boycott BPPPPPPPPPP
Tony Halliday
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think of the poor buggas up here in NT
think of the poor buggas up here in NT. Tomorrow we will launch 70km inland on the South Aligator and head down river for close to 100km to get to the sea, plus you pushing against the incomeing tide / current to get out and visa~versa on the way back up the river later in the day. ( and watch for crocs, sand banks, sunken trees etc...) to go fish off-shore. No ramps even close to the beach that don't involve destroying a trailer and boat on tuff tracks.
So tomorrow will be a 250litre day for us!!! at $1,65 a litre in Jabiru~~~~~~ SH!TEEEEEEEEEEEE !!!!! not cheap to take out a 5,5m tinnie!!!
The boys with big 6,5m platies with 150hp on the back can use 300 litres in a day with ease.....AND thats why a tour charter is now costing from $280 to $500 per head and min of four to go out in the park....
Tony
Full-time piscatorial-idiot, in The Vines. "It is always in season for old men to learn." Aeschylus (525-456 BC) Greek poet.
Supporter of Meals on Reels & The Wally Weight
Tony Halliday: ~Meals on Reels ~
It takes a strong fish to swim against the current. Even a dead one can float with it
"It is always in season for old men to learn." Aeschylus (525-456 BC)
"In a mad world only the mad are sane." Akira Kurosawa (1910-1998)
Goatch
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The bit that
pisses me at the moment is we fueled up at home in Tom Price yesterday at 194.9 , at Newman it was 168.9 and Wubin 1.60 and Perth today 1.50 , ripped off. I don't get it!!!!!
Just one more cast , honest !!!