Bream Fishing Gear
Hi everybody,
I'm new to the forums but have looked through and seen some posts already on what i'm going to ask but just thought id start a new thread to see what people think again.
I'm trying to decide what reel I need to get to go with the rod I just bought to do some River/Bream fishing. I've never fished for Bream before so would like some insight on what would be the best suited gear. I went ahead and bought a rod spur of the moment, bought a 5'6" Shimano Sahara Graphite Rod 2-4kg so very light weight in the hope I will feel the bites better. I want some help deciding which reel to chose and what size reel. I've been looking at the Shimano Siennas and the Shimano Sahara reels which from research seem to be pretty good (can't really tell the difference between them except the price) but was wondering what size I should get.
Considering I got a very light rod I was thinking of the 1000 but on researching a few threads I can't decide whether its better to go with the 1000 or get something a little bigger like the 2500. What is the actual difference between say the 1000, 2500 and 4000 size reels? Is it just the size of the reel and the line capacity or do the larger reels cope better with heavier line?
Just to note I normally just do bottom fishing with a shimano tekota 800 so all this lighter gear is new to me.
Spinnerak
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For breaming, go a 1000-2500
For breaming, go a 1000-2500 and anything in between, but thats just shimano's sizings, like a Daiwa 4500 is the same as a shimano 8000.
I would personally go the 1000 size, as they are lighter and thus easier to stand there casting all day. Yes a larger reel handles heavier line better,
but for breaming all you need is 3-6lb line, which a 1000 size reel will easily cope with. Also when looking at line you should get braid.
Like me you will quickly get sucked in bream on lures which is almoast impossible on nylon lines, as it has too much stretch and lacks sensitivity.
I use PowerPro in 5lb and its nice stuff, you'd probably get around 200m on a 1000 size reel, more than enough. Go with a Penn Appluase, best reel under $100 IMO. Better reels are smoother,
lighter and have better line lay so reduced tangles.
I know a lot of people will differ from this but everyone has their own opinions,
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dikfeld
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Awesome mate thanks for the
Awesome mate thanks for the info.
Yeah I'm steering towards a 1000 just because I'm simply just going to Bream and maybe try for some flathead aswell but as you say 3-6lb line is all I will need. I've done research on what rigs to use and yeah as you say i've heard braid is definitely the way to go. I will definitely look into the Penn Applause aswell.
Also looking at rigs everyone seems to use a leader of some form, how long and how much stronger should the leader be compared to say if I was running 4lb Braid?
Spinnerak
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For leader i typically use
For leader i typically use 8lb in summer on the flats because we do get a fair few flathead, around pylons 8lb, and winter on the flats 6lb. If your really game you can go less, but when you lose a $20 to a flathead you'll want to run 8lb.
For a rig just run you braid to your leader with an improved albright knot and thats it. Your leader is usually around about 1 metre long, maybe more.
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Davy_G
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It about how you play the
It about how you play the flatties, i've landed a 50cm in the canning on 4lb no worries. Caught a stack of flatties over summer on 4-6lb fluro. 8lb would cover them but as the leader size goes up, the number of hits goes down.
Davy_G
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G'day mate,With the size of
G'day mate,
With the size of reel, dont be afraid to go for a bigger one, generally a 2500 will cast further due to the larger spool size.
As mentioned before, 3-6lb line ( braid or mono) will suffice, if your going to be using lures, braid is a must, if your mainly using bait a good quality mono in the breaking strain mentioned will do fine.
With regards to leader, you only really need it if you have braid. Flurocarbon is generally what is used among breamers as it is almost invisible underwater.
Strength wise, it depends were your fising and what the situation on the day is like, if your fishing in heavy snaggy territory (canning bridge) I would bump up the leader to around 8lb for security. If fishing flats, 4-6lb braid will be fine. if your running 4 lb braid a 4-6lb leader will cover for most situations. length, 1-2 rod lengths will be fine.
With your rod, 5'6 is an ok size but a 6'6-7' would be alot better, the longer rods give you alot more distance with your cast, especially if your using lightly weighted lures. I use a Pflueger trion 2-4kg 6'6 and love it, for around $120 you cant go wrong.
Reel wise, what is your budget?
Some options in the sub 100 range are the shimano sienna, slade, saros(some places) and the penn applause/accord.
100-200 are: BCF has stradic fi's for 179 for club members and a tad more for non members, banax si600, pflueger trion, illusion etc
200-300, this is were the reels start to get really blingy but will last ages, alot longer the the lower prices: Daiwa tierra(possibly sub 200), emeralds infeet, sol, silver luvias, stradic ci4, the new daiwa freams I think fits in here.
Take your rod into a tackle store and try a few on and pick what you like and what balances well.
Hope this helps
scottscurious
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as davy said, 2500 gives you
as davy said, 2500 gives you better casting distance as it has a larger spool but 1000's weigh lighter but get more 'wind knots'.if bait fishing id go the 2500. in saying that even the majority of tournament breamers use a 2500. again as davy mentioned take the rod into the tackle shop and try a few reels on, the rod should balance on one finger around where the grip turns into the 'rod'.
if you to decided to go braid you should learn the albright knot as braid tends to slip.flouro line is great for baits and as your new to bream it is what i'd suggest. either way do not go for the cheapest as usually its extremely weak and untidy.
line wait i again personally would suggest 6 - 8lb, as i caught a 46cm tailor on 6lb fluro on a berkley dropshot 1-3kg missing about a foot or tip without a leader in the river just a few weeks ago, in saying that i have had my line bitten of a few time to much smaller tailor.
Davy_G
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Knots wise, Albright as
Knots wise, Albright as mentioned or i use a double uni and have had no problems
Spinnerak
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Yerr i've never been bitten
Yerr i've never been bitten off by a tailor in the swan, but they've all been around 30cm though.
Flathead are the ones to watch, as they suck the bait down and they have raspy little teeth and gill rackers that mince everything.
for leader try nitlon YGK, amazing abrasion resistance
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Davy_G
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Atm I'm using Nitlon dfc,
Atm I'm using Nitlon dfc, going to give one of the sunline ones ago next I think.
flangies
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+1 for dfc, it's stiff as
+1 for dfc, it's stiff as hell but it comes in super rolls.
flangies
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+1 for dfc, it's stiff as
+1 for dfc, it's stiff as hell but it comes in super rolls.
dikfeld
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Thanks for all the info
Thanks for all the info guys, is much appreciated.
I think i'll go down and get another rod aswell so I have 2 and can fish with the old man. So I might get a 1000 for the 5'6" rod and a 2500 for a larger rod (6'6") or should I put them the other way round? Will go out on the wkend and try using some bait and use lures on the second and see how i go (haven't chosen location yet).
I will probably choose reels between the 100-200 dollar range but what do all you guys think about the difference between the reels priced in the <$100 to reels more expensive? I don't mind spending the extra money for a decent reel but if its not necessary then I might change my mind.
Oh and also when getting a second larger rod should i get a stronger one? or stay with the 2-4kg but just bigger? Sorry for all the questions! :)
Richard
scottland
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id say u got it spot on
you do get what you pay for. im using a shimano symetre 2500 ($150) and a 6'6" 4-10lb rod and could not fault it one bit. and the question about the stronger rod it all depends on how much breaming you have done previously i reckon. for beginners and 'the weekend fisherman" a 2-4 kg rod is best anything bigger take the sport out of it hahaha
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Davy_G
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Spot on, 1000 on the 5'6 and
Spot on, 1000 on the 5'6 and 2500 on the 6'6. Another 2-4 is perfect. No need To go any stronger. As Scotland said, you get what you pay for with regards to reels. If your only gong to be doing a bit of bream fishing every now and then, don't worry about getting a $200+ reel. I would personally spend the extra money as breaming is the main type of fishing I do.
dikfeld
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Sounds awesome mate, thanks
Sounds awesome mate, thanks for the information. Definitely looking to get into alot of bream/river fishing as it seems like its great fun and also a bit of a challenge (well it will be to begin with).
Hopefully I can have some success and post some good pics!
scottland
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yep a challenge
is what it is dont give up on it if the blowies show up
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Davy_G
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No worries, hope you get into
No worries, hope you get into some soon.
Spinnerak
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Sorry DFC is what i meant,
Sorry DFC is what i meant, not YGK, Symetres are very good reels in the price range your looking at
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